Indiana. Shipping Interests.

Answer of the shipping interests of Indiana and the Indianapolis Freight Bureau to the remarks of Mr. G. J. Grammer at conference held on November 19th, 1906, between the Indiana Railroad Commission and special committees representing the raliroads and commercial bodies of larger cities of the state online

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Sheet 32.

COMPARATIVE RATES SHOWING INEQUALITIES OPERATING

AGAINST INDIANAPOLIS INTERESTS.

Rates on Furniture to Missouri River Territory and Beyond.

Through Indpls. Rates Through Difference

Rate to from Rate in favor

To from Miss. Miss. from of

GROUP I. Chicago. River. River. Indpls. Chicago.

List No. 1 30c 32c 22%c 54%c 24%c

" 2 30 23% 22% 46 16

"3 30 16 22% 3Sy 2 8%

" " 4 30 13% 22% 36 6

To
GROUP II.

List Xo. 1 31% 32 24 56 24%

" 2 31% 23% 24 47% 16

" 3 31% 16 24 40 8%

" 4 31% 13% 24 37% 6

To
GROUP III.

List No. 1 32% 32 25 57 24%

" 2 32% 23% 25 48% 16

" 3 32% 16 25 41 8%

" 4 32% 13% 25 38% 6

To
GROUP IV.

List No. 1 37% 32 30 62 24%

" " 2 37% 23% 30 53% 16

" " 3 37% 16 30 46 8%

" " 4 37% 13% 30 43% 6

To
GROUP V.

List No. 1 42% 32 35 67 24%

" " 2 42% 23% 35 58% 16

" " 3 42% 16 35 51 - 8%

" " 4 42% 13% 35 48% 6

To
GROUP VI.

List No. 1 45% 32 38 70 24%

" " 2 45% 23% 38 61% 16

" 3 45% 16 38 54 8%

" " 4 45% 13% 38 51% 6

List No. 1— Furniture. N. O. S. Tariff Authorities-
List No. 2 — Kitchen Cabinets. Western Book Tariff No. 5.
List No. 3 — Spring Beds, Woven Western Book Tariff from

Wire Mattresses, Mississippi River.

Woven Wire Cots Exceptions —

and Metallic Mat- Vandalia 2549, CCC 447-A.

tresses. covering Lists 2 and 3.
List No. 4 — Iron Beds.



18



Groups Referred to in Exhibit Sheets Nos. 26. 27. 28 and 32.



Adrian -Mo.

Aldrich

leton City

hi.-
Arthur
Athol

Anna
Avon

too

Blairstown

Bo\

Brownlngton

Buttler

Byrl

Calhoun

cfl
Chad wick
Chlllowwe
Clinton

Coburg Ka

Coleman

Colliims

Crelghton

Daugherty

Deep Water

I teerfield

Diamond

Delton

son
I innnepan

I Lynn
Ellis

Elm Park
Eudora
Fair Play



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Amsterdam

Anna

Ashnry Mo.

Ash Gro

inni Spur
cter
Beulah
>urt

Mo.
Bonita

ton Mo.

maugb

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on Center Mo.



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Freeman

den City
Cow dy
Grand View

n wood
Handley
Harlan
Han isonville
Harrelson

Ileal t well

Harvey

l [arwood

Heine

Holden

Horns

Wharton

H uber

Humansville

Jeffreys

Kansas City Jet.

Klmpton

Latonr

Leeds

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Le< ton

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Little Blue

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i.ow ry City

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Maurine

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Fulfton

Hammond

Hannon

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Hume

lanth.i

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Jasper

Jaudon

Joplin



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Mt. Wi ton

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Nichols
Norths

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Panama

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Pleasanl Hill

Pes'1 Oafc

Quirk City

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Rich Hill

Rock Crees

Rockville

Sheffield

South Lee

Springfield
Mo. Swi ak Park

Crich

Wales
Walkeis
Walnut Grove
Winchell
Windsor

Missouri River
and inter-
mediate points taking
the sai as max-

imum.



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Mo. Ocheltn
Olathe
da
lis

Mo.
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Mo. Pleton
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La Cyguo


II


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Chiles


CI


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Cleveland


Mo.


Last Chance


II


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CC


Lento


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South Greenfield


(|


Cornell


tt


Liberal


Mo.


S prague


Mo


Crestline


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Linton


Kas.


Spring Hill


Kas


Drexel


Mo.


Lisle


Mo.


Stanley


CI


Drywood


Kas.


Lock wood


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(1


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Mo.


Loneoak


Kas.


Stotesbury


Mo


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Louisburg




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M


Macy


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it


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Mo.


Martin City




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CC


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Farlington


Kas.


Marriam


it


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a


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Mo.


Ward


Mo


Fontana


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Midway


Kas.


Washburn


Kas


Fort Scott


it


Miller


Mo.


Webb City


cc


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Mo


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Morse


Kas.


West Line


cc


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CC


Mt. Vernon


Mo.


Worland


it


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(1

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CI


Yale


Kas


Garland


(1


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Kas.






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Group III.


Mo.






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Mo.


Gentry


Ark.


Mine Wonders


Mo


Avoca


Ark.


Goodman


Mo.


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Ark.


Osborne


Ark


Centerton


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Mo.


Siloam Springs


l<


Eldorado Springs Mo.


McElhany


it


Sulphur Springs


it


Garfield


Ark.


Madge

Group IV.


it


Wye


Mo


Chanute


Kas.


Gretna


Mo.


Oswego


Kas


Chetopa




Humboldt


Kas.


Ottawa


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Iola


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CI


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CC


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CI


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Independence


Kas.


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Mo.



50

Chairman Indianapolis Freight Committee,

Indianapolis, Ind.

Deab Snt: — We invite attention to the enclosed ex-
hibit -our sheets Nos. 29, 30 and 31, showing comparison
in pates "ii Chairs C. L. from [ndianapolis with our
strong competitive points, Chicago, Louisville, Grand
Rapids and Detroit, to Missouri River territory. We
would have you note particularly the fad thai our natur-
;il ;iikI direct route via Mississippi River is closed to us on
this business and the traffic is forced to move via Chicago
to ei'i'eet lower i"i i es hv using the Cincinnati rates of 2nd-
class ;i< intermediate.

The exhibit shows than on a 40-ft. car, [ndianapolis
pays |85.50 to the .Missouri River, while Chicago pays
$43.00, Louisville s7u.nu. Grand Rapids STC.To. Detroit
$83.00 and on a 50-ft. ear. [ndianapolis pays $115.00, Chi-
cago $54.00, Louisville $70.00, Grand Rapids $103.00, De-
troit $112.00; while on 20,00Q lb. minimum, Indianapolis
pays $128.00, Chicago $60.00, Louisville $70.00, Grand
Rapids $114.00 and Detroit $124.00 per ear. In other
winds, while our distance is practically the same as Chi-
cago, Indianapolis has to pay $68.00 per ear more freight
— and with 75 miles less average distance than Louisville
to .Missouri River points, we pay $58.00 per ear more —
Grand Rapids, with distance about 150 miles greater, en-
joys si t.un per car less freight ami Detroit with 220 miles
greater distance has a less rate than Indianapolis.

This certainly is a had piece of rate work and our in-
terests here call upon the initial carriers at Indianapolis
to remedy the situation without delay, which can be done
easily enough by establishing a through rate on the ba<i<
of 5c per cwt. over Chicago pate, which is 32c, making
[ndianapolis 87c to Missouri Liver points, under West-
ern Classification, minimum as follows: 36-ft. car. L2,000
Lbs. tO-ft. car. L3,440 lbs. — 45-ft. car. 15,240 lbs.— o0-ft.
car, J7,(M(> lbs., observing ;i> ,-i maximum basis, the Chi-
cago pate of 30c at 20,000 lbs., as shown in exhibit — this
being the rate on furniture, all kinds, thus making the
maximum charge from I ndianapolis .'Joe at 20,000 lbs. mini-
mum. We suggest the above basis as a temporary adjust-
ment and of course want the rate t<> apply over the direct
route via Mississippi Liver and as mentioned in eonnec-



51



tion with our exhibit on furniture, Sheet 25, the adoption
of a basis of differentials, Indianapolis to the Mississippi
Biver, seems to offer a practicable solution. Our chair man-
ufacturers cannot compete against such odds and as the
rates are so radically unjust we trust immediate action
will be taken to correct the same and fix Indianapolis
rates on the proper relative basis with the other points
as outlined above.

Please get this before your Committee for considera-
tion and recommendation, advising" your action, and oblige

Verv trulv yours,



Oct. 27, 1906. Commissioner.

Sheet 29.

COMPARATIVE RATES SHOWING INEQUALITIES OPERATING
AGAINST INDIANAPOLIS INTERESTS.

Chairs, C. L. — Cane, Wood or Veneer Seat — in Bdls., Crates or Boxes.
To Missouri River Crossings and Intermediate Territory.

—FROM INDIANAPOLIS—
To Miss. River. Beyond.

Min. Rate. Chge. Min. Rate. Chge. Thro.

36-foot Car Any Qty. 55.5 *55.50 12000 x27 32.40 87.90

40-foot " " " *69.37 13440 " 36.28 105.65

45-foot " " " *91.58 15240 ." 41.15 132.73

50-foot " " " *99.90 20000 z22.5 45.00 144.90

20000-lb. Load... " 111.00 20000 " 45.00 156.00

To Chicago. Beyond.

Min. Rate. Chge. Min. Rate. Chge. Thro.

36-foot Car 10000 o34 34.00 12000 x32 38.40 72.40

40-foot " 12500 " 42.50 13440 " 43.00 85.00

45-foot " 16500 " ' 56.10 15240 " 48.76 104.86

50-foot " 18000 " 61.20 17040 " 54.52 115.72

20000-lb. Load-. ... " 68.00 20000 z30 60.00 128.00

—FROM GRAND RAPIDS—
To Chicago. Beyond.

Min. Rate. Chge. Min. Rate. Chge. Thro.

36-foot Car 10000 27 27.00 12000 x32 38.40 65.40

40-foot " 12500 " 33.7." 13440 " 43.00 76.75

45-foot " 16500 " 44.55 15240 " 48.76 93.31

50-foot " 18000 " 48.60 17040 " 54.52 103.12

20000-lb. Load " 54.00 20000 z30 60.00 114.00

o— Cinti. Rate C & OR 48 W. TL. 201. *Same minimum as used
via Chgo. x — Using 4th class rate. z — Using Commodity rate.
Differences via E. St. Louis Differences via Chicago

in favor Chicago and Grand in favor Chicago and Grand

Rapids as against Indpls. . Rapids as against Indpls.

Chgo. Gr. Rpds. Chgo. Gr. Rpds.

36-ft. Car, 49.50 22.50 36-ft. Car, 34.00 7.00

40 " - 62.65 28.90 40 " " 42.50 8.75

45 " " 83.97 39.42 45 " " 56.10 11.55

50 " " 90.38 41.78 50 " " 61.20 12.60

20000-lb load 96.00 42.00 20000-lb load 68.00 14.00'



52



Sheet 30.

COMPARATIVE RATES SHOWING INEQUALITIES OPERATING
AGAINST INDIANAPOLIS INTERESTS.

Chairs. C. L. — Cane. Wood or Veneer Seat — in Bdls.. Crates or Boxes.
To Missouri River Crossings and Intermediate Territory.

—FROM INDIANAPOLIS—
To Miss. River. Beyond.

Min. Rate. Chge. Min. Rate. Chge. Thro.

36-foot Car LnyQty. 55.5 »55.50 12000 x27 32.40 n7.90

10-foot '" " ; f.'.».:'>7 L3440 " 36.28 105.65

15-foot *91.58 L5240 " 41.15 132.73

50-foot " *99.90 20000 z22.5 45.00 144.90

20000-lb. Load 111.00 20000 15.00 K.K.OO

To Chicago. Beyond.

Min. Rate. Chge. Min. Rate. Chge. Thro.

36-foot Car l 10 <>::i 34.00 12000 x32 38.40 72.40

10-fool L2500 " 12.50 L3440 " 43.00 85.00

15-fool " H'.-'.OO " 56.10 15240 48.76 104.86

001 " l s <»00 61.20 17040 54.52 115.7^

20000-lb. Load " 68.00 20000 z30 60.00 12S.00

—FROM DETROIT—
To Chicago. Beyond.

Min. Rate. Chge. Min. Rate. Chge. Thro.

36-foot Car 10000 32 ::2.00 L2000 32 38.40 70.40

10-foot " L2500 - .".00 L3440 " l::. 00 83.00

15-foot " 16500 " 52. mi 15240 " IV76 101.56

50-fi " 18000 " -"7.60 17(11(1 - 54.52 112.12

:' 10-lb. Load c 1.00 20000 30 60.00 124.00

Cinti. Rate C & OR 18 W. TL. 201. *Same minimum as used
via Chun. x- Using I tli class rate. z — Using Commodity rate.
Differences via E. St. Louis Differences via Chicago

in favor of Chicago and De- in favor of Chicago and De-

troit as against Indianapolis. troit as against Indianapolis.

Chgo. Detroit. Chgo. Detroit.

36-ft. <'ar. 19.50 L7.50 36-ft. Car, ::i.00 2.00

in • •• • ;;, 22.65* hi " " 12.50

15 - •• 83.97 31.17 I- - " 56.10 3.30

mi ' 90.::^ 32.78 50 " " 61.20 3.60

20000-lb load 96.00 ".2.00 20000-lb load nvOO 1.00



53



Sheet 31.
COMPARATIVE RATES SHOWING INEQUALITIES OPERATING

AGAINST INDIANAPOLIS INTERESTS.

Chairs, C. L. — Cane, Wood or Veneer Seat — in Bdls., Crates or Boxes.

To Missouri River Crossings and Intermediate Territory.

—FROM INDIANAPOLIS—



To Miss. River.


Beyond






Min.


Rate.


Chge.


Min. Rate.


Chge.


Thro.


36-foot Car Any Qty.


55.5


*55.50


12000 x27


32.40


87.90


40-foot "


it


*69.37


13440 "


36.2S


105.65


45-foot "


"


*91.58


15240 "


41.15


132.73


50-foot "


«


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20000 Z22.5


45.00


144.90


20000-lb. Load


((


111.00


20000


45.00


156.00


To


Chicago.


Beyond






Min.


Rate.


Chge.


Min. Rate.


Chge.


Thro.


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34.00


12000 x32


38.40


72.40


40-foot " 12500


a


42.50


13440 "


43.00


85.00


45-foot " 16500


a


56.10


15240 "


48.76


104.86


50-foot " 18000


tt


61.20


17040 "


54.52


115.72


20000-lb. Load


tt


68.00


20000 z30


60.00


128.00


—FROM LOUISVILLE-








Min.


Rate.


Chge.








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a •


a








45-foot "


tt


tt








50-foot "


it


a








20000-lb. Load


a


tt








o— Cinti. Rate C & OR 4S W.


TL. 201.


*Same minimum as used


via Chgo. x — Using 4th class


rate.


z — Using Commodity rate.


s — Kansas City rate as maximum


; Sou. Ry. Tariff C-802,






Differences via E. St.


-uouis


Differences via Chicago




in favor of Chicago and Louis-


in favor of Chicagc


i and Louis-


ville as against Indpls.




ville


as against Indpls.




Chgo. Louisv.




Chgo.


Louisv.


36-ft. Car. 49.50


27.90


36-ft.


2


.40


40 " '• 62.65


35.65


40


42.50


15.50


45 " " 83.97


62.73


45


56.10


34.86


50 " " 90.38


74.90


50


61.20


45.72


20000-lb load 96.00


86.00


20000-lb load 68.00


58.00



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Chairman Indianapolis Freight Committee,

Indianapolis, Ind.
I M:ai; sik:— We desire to call attention to class and
commodity rates to [ndian and Oklahoma Territories as
carried in I. & < >. Commodity Tariff 1-TT, and request that
amendment to the same be made fixing Indianapolis rates
..11 a proper relative basis which, considering distance,
should nut be higher than rates from Chicago. See en-
closed exhibit, our Sheets 33 to 40, inclusive, and 45 and

16.

The present adjustment applies Cincinnati rates to
Indianapolis as intermediate, bu1 this is not satisfactory
nor is it a fair basis, since the mileage from Indianapolis
and Chicago to that territory is practically the same as
follows, taking a central point in either territory: Chica-
go to McAlester, T. T., 774 miles, from Indianapolis, 808;
from Cincinnati, '.mil'. Chicago to Oklahoma City, S02
miles; from Indianapolis, T85; from Cincinnati, 879. Av-
erage distance from Chicago, 784 miles; from Indianap-
olis. 71m;: from Cincinnati, 890. Indianapolis is shortest
mileage to Oklahoma, and but i2 miles longer average
distance than Chicago, while Cincinnati is 100 miles long-
er on average distance shown. We note the class rates
from St. Paul are r>, 4. :'.. 2, 1. class A. 2c above Chicago,
and on the coin modi ties shown in the tariff referred to St.
Paul rates are on a ltasis of class differentials over the
Chicago rates.

If to meet our views it is necessary to re-arrange the
so-called defined territory, then we ask that this he done.
There is no good reason why Indianapolis traffic should
bear the same rates as Cincinnati to the territory in ques-
tion and absolutely no fairness nor justice in making rates
from St. Paul on a lower hasis than charged from Indian-
apolis.

In this connection and referring to the same tariff,
we point to quite a number of commodity rates, shown on



55

pages 123 and 131, and in supplements which include the
following: Canned goods. Coffee, Furniture, Iron and
Steel Articles, Stoves and YVoodenware, which are all im-
portant commodities in Indianapolis traffic and on which
appears reduced rates from Chicago and St. Paul, making
the differences in rates against Indianapolis all the more
pronounced as shown by our exhibit.

Please have this subject considered without delay by
your Committee and proper recommendation made for the
adjustment above requested, viz. : the application of the
Chicago rates from Indianapolis. Kindly advise your ac-
tion and very much oblige,

Very trulv vours,



Commissioner.
Oct. 27, 1906.



Sheet 33.

COMPARATIVE RATES SHOWING INEQUALITIES OPERATING

AGAINST INDIANAPOLIS INTERESTS.

Special Commodity Rates to Points in Indian Territory.

Canned Goods. C. L.

*Rate from Indianapolis

Rate from Rate from Cincinnati should take

To — Chicago. St. Paul. Territory. Chgo. rates.

C. R. I. & P. Ry.

Caston to

McAlester, 48 49 55 48

M. K. & T. Ry.
Vinita to

McAlester, 48 49 55 48

Mo. Pacific Ry.
Polston to

Ft. Gibson, 48 49 55 48

M. O. & G. Ry.
Wagoner to

Muskogee, 48 49 55 48

St. L. & S. F. Ry.
Vinita to

Muskogee, 48 49 55 48

♦Applies from Indianapolis as intermediate.

I. & O. C. Committee Tariff 1-H, Supplement 4, Item 611.



50



Sheet 34.
COMPARATIVE RATES SHOWING INEQUALITIES
AGAINST INDIANAPOLIS INTERESTS.

Indian Territory



OPERATING



Coffee.



Special Commodity Rates to Points
C L.









♦Rate fi


om


[ndlanapolls




Rate from


Rate from


Cincinn


;iti


should take


To—


Chicago.


St. Paul.


Territory.


Chgo.. rates.


C I; I. & P. Ry.












Caston tn












McAlester,


55


56


\-r,7




55


M. K A T. Ry.












Rentiesville to












McAlester,


55


56


xiu




55


\.",iii class












Midland Vailey Ry












Muskog


IS




67




48


M. K. & T. Ry.












Vinita to












Muskog


IS


49


67




48


Mo. Pacific Ry.












Polston to












Ft. Gibson,


18


19


67




1-


M. 0. & G. Ry.












Wagoner to










.


Muskoj


is


19


67






St. L. A S. F. Ry.












Vinita to












Muskogee,


48


49


67




18


Applies from


Indianapolis


as Intermediate.






I. & 0. C. Committee Tariff 1-H, Supplement 4,


Item


612.



Sheet 35.

COMPARATIVE RATES SHOWING INEQUALITIES OPERATING
AGAINST INDIANAPOLIS INTERESTS.
Special Commodity Rates to Points in Indian Territory.
Furniture, New. X. O. S.
Kitchen Cabinets. C. L.



To-



Ratc from
Chicago.



Midland Valley Ry.

Muskogee, 59%

M. K A T. Ry.
Russell Creek to

Muskogee, 59%

Mo. Pacific Ry.
Polston to

Ft. Gibson. 59%

M <). & g. Ry.
Wagoner to

Muskogee, 59%

St. L. & S. F. Ry.
Wyandotte to

Muskog 59%



Rate from
St. Paul.

61%



61%



♦Rate from
Cincinnati
Territory.

83



v:



Indianapolis

should take

Chgo. rates.

59%



:,[.%



i



61%



61%



83



S3



83



.-,;.%



59%



♦Applies from Indianapolis as Intermediate.

I fi o. C. Committee Tariff 1-H, Supplement 4, Item 613.


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