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War expenditures



HEARINGS

BEFORB

SUBCOMMITTEE No. 1

(AVIATION)

OF THE

SELECT COMMITTEE ON EXPENDITURES
IN Th£ WAR DEPARTMJ

HOUSE OF EEPRESENT,

SIXTY-SIXTH CONG
FIRST SESSION

ON

WAR EXPENDIT
VOL. 1




Hon. JAMES A. FREAR, Chairman
Hon. WALTER W. MAGEE Hon. CLARENCE F. I.KA



Serial 2




WASHINGTON

(iOVBRNMENT PRINTING OFFICE

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SELECT COMMITTEE ON E— PENDITURES IN THE WAR DEPARTMENT.
. House of Rbprbsentattves.

WILLIAM J. GRAHAM, Illinois, Chairman.
JAMES A. FREAR, Wisconsin. HENRY D. FLOOD, Virginia,

JOHN C. MCKENZIE, Illinois. FINIS J. GARRETT, Tennessee.

ROYAL G. JOHNSON, South Dakota. FRANK E. DOREMUS, Michigan.

C. F. REAVIS, Nebraska. JEROME F. DONOVAN, New York.

WALTER W. MAOEE, New York. CLARENCE F. LEA, California.

ROSCOE C. MCCULLOCH, Ohio.
OSCAR E. BLAND, Indiana.
ALBERT W. JEFFERIS, Nebraska.
CLARENCE MacGREGOR, New York.

Newton H. Shaw, Ckrk.



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INDEX.

Page.
•• A * Within the Law ' conspiracy," by Mr. W. H. Fauber, testimony re_ 485-4.^7
Aeronautic patent question, extracts from report of National Advisory

Commission for Aeronautics 425-432

Aeronautical engines, table showing list of sold to United States Govern-
ment 397

Aeroplanes :

Aeronautical engines, table showing 39G

Aircraft Division—

Controversey between officers, in testimony re 5,6

Disorganized condition of, testimony re 3-43

Organization and investigations of, testimony re 3-43

Allies, table showing number furnished by 487

American, table showing number used by 170

"Americans munitions," by Assistant Secretary of War Crowell,

testimony re 11, 12

Annual report of the Secretary of War on production of 10-12

Appropriations for production of, tables and testimony re 15,

16, 124, 125, 273-282, 360-397, 551-554
Appropriations for production of, testimony of Messrs. Potter and

Ryan at Thomas hearings 65,66

Col. Arnold, test regarding statements on aircraft production made

at previous hearings 31,32

Artificially dried spruce for manufacture of, testimony re method of

producing — 674-670

Austria, table showing number used by 170

Aviation activities abroad, testimony re 119-162

Aviation fields, purchase of 137,138

Aviators abroad, testimony regarding number of 182-189,190,453

Aviators, testimony re casualties abroad 33-35,208

Aviators, testimony re number in service 283-285

Aviators, testimony re training of 225

Belgium, table showing number used by 170

Bombing machines, testimoney re number of, abroad 163-189

Borglum, testimony re criticism respecting aircraft production 26-31

Bristol, testimony re discontinuance of manufacture of 18

British Government, number furnished United States by 489—191

British, table showing number used by 170

Caproni, testimony re use of abroad 124, 143

Casualties among aviators 33-35,208

Contracts for, testimony re in connection with activities of Col.

Deeds 45-61

Cross-license agreement with reference to manufacture of 339-448

Council of National Defense, relation to aircraft production program. 10
Crowell, Assistant Secretary of War, testimony re report on aircraft

production 11, 12

Curtiss Aeroplane & Motor Corporation, testimony re sale of surplus

aeroplanes to 114-118, 453-481, 520-550

Deeds, Col., testimony re business connections and qualifications 45-61

De Ha vi land —

Advisability of concentrated production of. In United States. _ 165, 166

Testimony re merit of as bombing plane 17,18,31-35

Testimony and tables re reproduction and defects in 17, 18, 31-43

140-144, 175-182, 190-220, 237, 238, 246-248, 353-355, 378

Necessity for production of 211-216

Supply furnished abroad 165, 166

Delivery of, testimony re inability of firms to make 6,7

Destruction of, in France 221-224



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IV INDEX .

Aeroplanes — Continued. ^■•^

Engines for, manufactured in United States 4o-

Engines sliipped from United States and produced by allied Govern- ^

ments for use of United States forces 492-519

Experience of personnel of Army engaged In shaping aircraft poli-
cies ^^T^

Farman, H., testimony re use of, abroad 123

Fatalities among aviators 3^-35,208

Fighting machines, testimony re number of abroad 163-189

Foreign contracts of American firms— 7

French, table showing number used by 170

French Government number furnished United States by 489-491

German types of, table showing 223

Germany, table showing number used by 170

Goethals, Gen. G. W., testimony re qualifications of in connection with

handling aircraft production of 55-57

Handley-Paige, testimony re use of abroad 124, 134-137

Hispano-Suiza motors, testimony re production of 13,37

Hughes report on aircraft production, testimony re 3, 37, 38, 57-59

Italian Government, number furnished United States by 489-491

Italy, table showing number used by 170

Liberty motor, testimony re production and defects of 35. 36,

37, 165, 166, 190-205, 216-233, 550

Liberty motor, delivery of to foreign countries 128-130

Liberty motors, equipment of foreign machines with 12,13

Liberty motor, manufacture and installation In various types of ma-
chines 18-35

Lumber production, for manufacture of 574-667.680-690

Manufacture of, testimony of inability of firms to 6,7

Mexican expedition, use of in connection with 4. 5

Number and types furnished to American Expeditionary Forces 281,

496-520
Number of and types used In American Expeditionary Forces as of

November 11, 1918 Following page 554

Number of abroad, testimony and tables re 66-09,

128, 16a-189, 217, 453, 454

Number of aviators abroad 182-189,551

Number on the battle front 17

Potter and Ryan, Messrs., testimony re statement of at Thomas hear-
ings re number of aeroplanes abroad 66

Parking and shipping of r>(52

Parallel truss, effects of 23^-241,246-248

Patents, cross-license agreement with reference to 399-448

Pershing expedition Into Mexico, use of aeroplanes In connection with 4, 5
l^)tter, Mr. W. C, testinumy re appointment In connection with air-
craft production 61-67

Prewar preparation 343-359

Price and production of lumber for manufacture of 574-627. 680-690

Production of In United States 3-43,28-281,554-561

Program of Mr. Howard Coffin for increased prcnluctlon of 9. 10

Railroad construction in connection with spruce prwluctlon 691-772,

790-946

Purchase of aviation fields 137-138

Rolls-Royce engine, testimony re production of 18,33,34

Ryan. Mr. John I)., appointment as Chief of Aircraft Production., 61-67

Sale of surplus supply of 139, 140, 397, 4.5;V-I80, r)20-.V>0

Shipping and packing of 562

Salvage by American Expeditionary Forces, table showing 223

Slems-(^arey-Kerbaugh Co. contract in connection with production

with spruce 916-946

Societn Italia automobile (Aeroplane), testimony re u.s€ of abroad- 124. 125

Spad, cancellation of contract for 199

Spad, tt^stlmony re use of abroad 123

Spruce Production Division, Investigation of by Inspector General 833-844)

Spruce production for use In manufacture of 87-118,331-343.563-946

Supply of abroad 127.128,163-189

S. V. A., testimony re use of abroad 124.125



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INDEX V

Pag«.

Thomas report on aircraft production 3,14 43,65-66,69-71

Transportation of, abroad 24-26

Types and number furnished American Expeditionary Forces 486-520

(See aUo Balloons.)

Agreements, cross-license, with reference to aircraft production 399-448

Air Service:

Appropriations for 7-9, 15, 16

Construction of stations for, table re 327-330

Contracts aggregating $100 000 or over, made by, table and testi-
mony re 285-325

Controversy between officers in 5,6

Deeds, Col. Edward A., testimony re business connections and quallti-

cations of 45-61

Disorganizetl condition of 3-43

Estimate of funds for, table and testimony re 36-365

Experience of personnel of 37-43

Inefficiency of 240-246, 249-257

Organization and investigations of 3-^3

Personnel of, abroad 182-190

Potter, Mr. W. C, appointment to iX)sition as chief of 61-67

Ryan, Mr. John D., appointment to position as chief of 61-67

Aircraft Board, testimony re creation of : 10

Aircraft ( See also Aeroplanes. )
Allies :

Aeroplane engines produced by for United States forces, table show-
ing 492-510

Aeroplanes furnished by, table showing 487

Aeroplanes used by, table showing 163-173

America, aeroplanes used by, table showing 170

American aeroplanes, types and number furnished American Expedition-
ary Forces — 486-520

American Expeditionary Forces:

Aeroplanes salvaged by, table showing 223

Flying officers in, table and testimony re 283-285

American firms manufacturing aeroplanes for foreign account, testi-
mony re 7

"America's Munitions," by Assistant Secretary of War Crowell, testi-
mony re 11, 12

Annual report of Secretary of War on aircraft production 10-12

Appropriations :

Aircraft production, tables and testimony re 7-9,

15, 16, 124, 125, 273-282, 360-^97, 551-554
Aircraft, testimony of Messrs. Potter and Ryan at Thomas hearings- 65, 66

Expenditure of, table showing Following page 554

Arnold, Col., testimony re statement on aircraft production made at pre-
vious hearings 31, 32

Artificially dried spruce, testimony re method of producing 674-679

Attorney General Gregory, decision regarding cross-license agreements. 433-435

Austria, table showing number of aeroplanes used by 170

Aviation activities abroad, testimony re 119-162

Aviation, appropriations for, table and testimony re 7-9,

15, 16, 124, 125, 273-282, 360-397, 551-554

Aviation fields, testimony re purchase of 137,138

Aviation forces abroad, testimony re 163-190,283-285,453

Aviation preparation before the w^ar, testimony re 343-359

Aviators :

Deaths among, abroad 33-35, 208

Duty abroad, table showing number on 551

Fatalities among ^ 33-35, 208

Feeding of, in Italy 121

Number of, abroad 182-190, 551

Training of 120-124, 225

Baker, Hon. Newton D., testimony re:

Aeroplanes, Inability of firms to manufacture and deliver 6,7

Aeroplanes, production of 3-43

Aircraft appropriations 7-9



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Baker, Hon. Newton D., testimony re — Continued. Tng^

Aircraft Board, formation of 10

Aircraft Division, organization and investigation of 3-43

American firms manufacturing aeroplanes for foreign account 7

Appointments to positions in Aircraft Division, qualification of in-
cumbents, etc 45-60

Arnold, Col., testimony re statements at previous hearings on air-
craft production 31, 32

Borglum, criticisms of, respecting aircraft production 2(>-31

r>ristol aeroplane, discontinuance of production of 18

Colonial Army pUin 6,7

Copper purcliases made through rnite<l RIetals Selling Co 7J>-87

Council of National Defense, relations to aircraft production pro-
gram 10

Curtiss aeroplanes, contract for sale of 114-118

Deeds, Col. Edward A., conclusions of Judge Adv(K-ate G*»neral in

case of. Inserted In record 72

De«'ds, Col. Edward A., business connections and qualifications of__ 45-61

De Haviland aeroplane, defects of 17, 18, 31-^^.'), 41-43

Examination of, by H<m. James A. Frear re "America's Munitions,"

Assistant Secretary Crowell 11,12

Examination of, by Hon. Janies A. Erear re annual report of St»c-

retary of War on aircraft production 10-12

Examination of, by Hon. James A. Frear re business connection and

qualifications of Col. Edward A. Deeds 45-61

P3xandnatlon of, Hon. James A. Frear re business connections of ^Ir.

John I). Ryan 72-75

Examination of, by Hon. James A. Frear re organization and Inves-
tigations of Aircraft Division 3-43'

Examination of, by Hon. James A. Frear re production of aeroplanes- 3-43
Examination of, by Hon. James A. Frear re projects for sqjruce pro-
duction 87-118

Examination of, by Hon. James A. Frear re purchase of copper

through United Metals Selling Co 75-87

Examination of, by Hon. James A. Frear re quantity of aeroplanes

abroad 3-43

Examination of, by Hon. Walter W. Magee re supply of aeroplanes

abroad 66-67

Experience of, personnel of Army engaged in aircraft production 37-43

Fatalities among aviators 33-85

Goethals, Gen. George W., qualifications In connection with handling

aircraft production 55-57

Hay-Chamberlaln bill 6, 7

Hlspano-Sulza motors, production of 13.37

Hughes report on aircraft production 37.38.57^59

Insi)ector General's Investigation of railroad In State of Wa.shlng-

ton 103-114

letter to, fnmi Hon. James A. Frear, resale of surplus aeroplanes. .48:1—484

Liberty motors, equipment of foreign machines with 12, 13

Liberty motor, structural defects in 35,36

Mexican expedition, use of aeroplanes In 4,5

National Cash Register prosecution in connection with qualifications

and business connections of Col. Edward A. Deeds 48-52

Number (»f aeroplanes abroad 66-60

Potter, Mr. W. C. l)uslness connections of and apixnntment to air-
craft position 61-67

Price and production of copi>er 75-87

Program of Mr. Howard Cotfin for Increased pro<luctl<m of aero-
planes 9. 10

Railroad construction in State of Washington In conne<'tion with

spruce production 87-118

Reber, Col., and Gen. Scrlven. controversy between 5.6

Rolls-Iloyce engine for aeroplanes, manufacture of IS. 33, 34

Ryan, John D., apiH)intment t<» poslthm as Chief of Aircraft PhmIuc-

tion 61-67

Scrlven, Gen., and Col. Reber, controversy I>eUveen 5,6



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Baker, Hon. Newton D., testimony re — Continued. JPasre.

Shermar^ antitrust law in connection with National Cash Register

prosecution and Col. Edward A. Deeds 48-52

Spad aeroplane, discontinuance of production of 18, 19

Spruce production for manufacture of aeroplanes 87-118

Thomas hearing on aircraft production 42,43

Transportation of aeroplanes 24, 26

Balloons :

Allies, table showing number used by 170

America, number used by, table sliowing 170

Austria, table showing number used by 170

Belgium, table showing number used by 170

British, table showing number used by 170

Central povrers, table showing number used by 170

Enemy, tables showing number used*t)y 170

French, table showing number used by 170

Germany, table showing number used by 170

Number used abroad 170-173

{See also Aeroplanes.)

Battle front, testimony re number of aeroplanes on 17

Belgium, table showing number of aeroplanes used by 170

Boiling Commission, organization and work of abroad 209-216

Bombing machines, number of abroad 163-189

Borglum, criticisms respecting aircraft production, testimony re 26-31

Bristol aeroplane, discontinuance of manufacture of 18

British :

Aeroplanes used by, table showing numl)er of 170

Aeroplanes supplied United States forces by , 489-491

Bureau of Aircraft Production, appropriations and expenditures of,

tables and testimony re 273-282

Oapronl aeroplane, testimony re use of abroad 124,125,143

Casualties among aviators abroad 33-35,208

Central Powers ; aeroplanes used by, table and testimony re 163-173

Ghinn, Mr. E. B., testimony regarding:

Examination of, by Hon. James A. Frear re spruce production and

Siems-Carey-Kerbaugh Co. contract 916-936, 939-944, 945

Examination of, by Hon. Clarence F. Lea re spruce production and

Siems-Carey-Kerbaugh Co. contract 936-944

Examination of, by Hon. Walter W. Magee re ^ pruce production and

Siems-Carey-Kerbaugh Co. contract 932, 933, 942, 943

Chlsholm, Mr. Wm. J., testimony regarding:

Examination of, by Hon. James A. Frear re railroad construction and
employment of soldiers In connection \vlth spruce produc-
tion 853-864, 871-876

Examination of, by Hon. Clarence F. Lea re railroad construction
and employment of soldiers In connection with spruce produc-
tion 864-870, 874, 875

Examination of, by Hon. Walter W. Magee re railroad construction
and employment of soldiers in connection with spruce produc-
tion 870, 871, 874

Christma.s, Dr. Wm. W., testimony regarding:

Aeroplane production 235-272

Aircraft Service, Inefficiency of 240-2r)7

Bullet aeroplane 242-244

De Havlland aeroplane, defects of 237-238, 246-248

Examination of, by Hon. Clarence F. Lea re advantages and types of

various types of aeroplanes 235-272

Examination of, by Hon. Walter W. Magee re advantage and de-
fects of various types of aeroplanes ; 235-258

Liberty motor and similarity to Hall-Scott motor 238, 239, 259-272

Parallel-truss aeroplane, defects of 239-241, 246-248

Clark, Col. E. V., testimony before Thomas committee re De Havlland

aeroplane in.serted In the record 190-192

Coffin. Mr. Howard, testimony re program for Increased aircraft produc-
tion 9,10

Colonial army plan, testimony re 6,7

Construction of Air Service stations 327-330



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VIII INDEX

Contracts : P«««.

Aircraft material, testimony relating to in connection with activities

of Col. Edward A. Deeds 45-61

Air Service for $100,000 or over, table and testimony re 285-325

American firms mannfacturing aeroplanes for foreijrn account 7

Cost-plus in connection with spruce production in Ore-
gon 563-574, 668-673

Cros -license agreements with reference to aircraft production 399-448

Curtis aeroplanes, sale of 114-118

Handley-Paige, alleged extravagance in connection with 134-137

Limiber for aeroplane manufacture 574-626, 680-^90

Siems-Carey-Kerbaugh Co., for constructing railroad in connection

with spruce production 716-730, 756-772, 916-946

Surplus aeroplanes, sale of ^ 453-486,520-550

United Metals Selling Co., for purchase of copper 75-87

United States Spruce Production Corporation 332-336

Copper :

Price of 75-87

United Metals Selling Co., purchases made through 75-87

Cost-plus contracts in connection with spruce-production operations 626-673

Council of National Defense, relations to aircraft production program 10

Cross-license agreements r

Aeroplanes, manufacture of and 399-448

Attorney General's decision re legality of 432-435

Crowell, Assistant Secretary of War, testimony re report on aircraft pro-
duction 11. 12

Curtlss Aeroplane & Motor Corporation, sale of suri)lus aeroplanes to 114-130,

453^86, 520-550

Deaths among aviators abroad 33-35,208

Deeds, Col. Edward A., business connections and qualifications for posi-
tion in connection with aircraft production 45-61, 72

De Haviland aeroplane :

Advisability of concentrated production in United States 165, 166

Defects in 17, 18,

31-35, 131, 140-144, 175-182, 190-220, 237-238, 246-248, 353-355. 378

Necessity for production of 211-216

Production of 216-220, 353-355. 378

Supply of, furnished forces abroad 165,166

Destruction of aeroplanes in France 221-224

Disque, Gen., testimony regarding connection with spruce pro<luction 748-754

Division of Military Aeronautics, appropriations and expenditures for

aviation purposes, tables and testimony re 273-282

Dunwoody, Col., examination of by Hon. James A. Frear re work of lAH*k-

hard Commission 141

Edmunds, Hon. G. W., letter from Pope Yeatman re price and prmhictlon

of copper 76

Employment of soldiers in connection with sppuc»e production 691-704,853-876

Enemy, tables and testimony re aeroplanes used abroad by 163-173

Engines, manufactured in United States 452

Expenditures :

Aviation purposes, tables and testimony re 273-279,260-297

Spruce Production Corporation 331-343

Experience of personnel of Army engaged in aircraft production 37-43

Farman H. (aeroplane), testimony re use of abroad 123

Fatalities among aviators 33-35,208

Fatalities in Air Service (tables) following page 556

Fauber, Mr. W. H., testimony regarding:

"A * Within the Law* conspiracy" written by testimony re 435-437

Cross-license agreement with reference to aircraft production 399-448

Examination of by Hon. Clarence F. I^ea re cross-license agreement

with reference to aircraft production 399-448

Feeding of aviators in Italy 121

Fighting machines, number of abroad 163-180

Financial operations of Spruce Production Corporation, testimony re_. 704-716
Flying officers in United States and American Expeditionary Forces.- 283-285
Foreign coDtracts of American firms for aeroplanes 7



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Foulois, Maj. B. D., testimony regarding: Page.

Aeroplane engines manufactured in United States 453

Aviation appropriations and expenditures 360-397

De Havlland aeroplane, production and defects of 353-^355

Examination of by Hon. James A. Frear re appropriations and ex-
penditures for aviation purposes 360-397

Examination of by Hon. James A. Frear re number of aeroplanes

manufactured in United States 452

Examination of by Hon. James A. Frear re prewar aviation prepa-
rations 343-359

Examination of by Hon. Clarence F. Lea re appropriations and ex-
penditures for aviation purposes 382-395

Examination of by Hon. Clarence F. Lea re production of aeroplanes

for American forces 555-561

Expenditures for aviation purposes 360-397

Prewar aviation preparations 343-359

Prance, aeroplanes destroyed in, testimony re 221-224

Frear, Hon. James A., examination of Hon. Nowton D. Baker. (See Baker.)
Frear, Hon. James A, :

Examination of Mr. E. B. Chinn. (8ce Chinn.)
Examination of Mr. Wra. J. Chishohn. (See Chisholm.)
Examination of Col. Dunwoody. {See Dun woody.)
Examination of Maj. D. B. Foulois. (See Foulois.)


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