Department of Justice not to pass on the credibility of any person who
gives information. ...
Senator Lodge. Some customs are held a little too long. I thnik it is
about time they chanced that custom.
Senator Tydixgs. You have a point there, but I am just passing on
to you the facts. Thev say they are an investigative agency, not a
fact-finding agency. Go ahead, Mr. Morgan. Do you have all this to
go through ?
Mr. Morgan. Yes.
Senator Tydixgs. We had better get along, then. Go ahead.
:Mr. ]MoRGAX. Maybe we could expedite this if I would characterize
the documents, unless there is an objection, and we will just let the
reporter copy them.
Senator Tydixgs. All right, do that, then.
Mr. :Morgax. We have here a letter dated May 4, 1050.
Senator Hickexlooper. Just before you go into that, did any of
you gentlemen receive a copy of a letter, either from the prosecuting
'attorney in New York or one of them to Mr. Budenz or to somebody
else, stating his belief as to the credibility of Mr. Budenz? It seems
that I got a copy of it. i -j:
Senator Tydixgs. I haven't got any copy that I recall, but even if
I had, it would only be opinion evidence. It wouldn't be a fact. His
credibility here will have to be judged by us, not in some other case.
Senator Hickkxiooper. 1 am only talking with reference to this
letter of the Justice Department. I have seen a copy of a letter from
the prosecuting attorney.
Senator Tydixgs. To whom was it addressed ?
Senator Hickexlooper. I think it was addressed to Budenz. I think
he sent me a copy of it and said he sent you a copy of it.
Senator Tydixgs. I don't recall getting it.
^Ir. ^loRRis. I think. Senator, in the distribution of it, that was
the letter which was addressed to you.
1474 STATE DEPARTME]S'T EMPLOYEE LOYALTY IXVESTIGATION
Senator Tydings. Put it in the record, if you have it. I have no
objection to it. Put it in the record, if any of you have it.
Mr. Mc.RGAX. To make clear why tliis was read into the record, it
was for the purpose of clearing up a specific request on the record rela-
tive to the Department of Justice. That, of course, is why I incorpo-
rated it, to clear that up.
Senator Lodge. It doesn't clear that up at all, I am sorry.
]Mr. Morgan. That is the best we could do.
I have here a letter from John Foster Dulles, making reference to
certain testimony of Freda Utley relative to the employment of Alger
Hiss at a time coincident Avith '^Ir. Dulles' association with the Car-
negie Foundation, which he has requested that we incorporate in our
record.
Senator Tydings. He has?
Mr. Morgan. Yes. Without objection, I assume that is satisfactory,
Mr. Chairman ?
Senator Tydings. We will read any document in full that you want,
but unless you want them read, we will just designate what some of
them are and let them go in.
Senator Hickenlcoper. Does this letter take issue with what she
said ?
Mr. Morgan. Yes. It is short. I "will read it.
Senator Tydings. All right.
Mr. Morgan. It is dated^May 4, 1950 :
My Dear Senator Tydings : I am infoi-mecl that on May 1, Freda Utley in her
testimony before your Foreign Relations Snhfomn)ittee stated that I had rec;om-
mended the appointment of Alger Hiss as president of the Carnegie Endowment
for International I'eace at a time when I had been furnished with information
that Hiss was a Communist.
That is untrue. The tirst intimation I received that Hiss might have Communist
affiliations came to me after, not before, his election on December 9, 1946.
If yon or any memljer of your subcommittee deems the matter of sufiicient
importance, I should be happy to appear i>ersonally and, under oath, to state
the facts.
In any event you may, perhaps, put this letter into the record.
Sincerely yours,
John Foster Dtjixes.
Senator Tydings. That has nothing to do with this case. It is
clearing up his own position.
Let us go off the record for a second.
(Off the record.)
Senator Tydings. On the record.
Mr. Morgan. Next is a letter, dated May 19, 1950, addressed to
Senator Tydings.
Senator Lodge. From whom?
Mr. INIorgan. From the State Department. It reads us follows:
In accordance with your request, this is to advise that the records of the
Department have been thoroughly checked and it has been ascertained that the
following individuals, whose names are included on the McCarthy list, have
never been employed by or connected with the Department of State in any way.
Then I will give you the numbers corresponding to their names
as they appear on the subpena list of the so-called 81. They are
numbers 29, 19 and 20. This letter is signed John E. Peurifoy.
Senator Tydings. How many of them are there?
Mr. Morgan. Three. If you would like the names off the record,
I will give them to you.
STATE DEPAKT.MENT EMPLOYEE LOYA-LTY INA'ESTIGATION 1475
Senator Tydings. No, I don't think it is important, unless the
conunittee wants them. at ..,Ma v^io
Mr Morgan. Pursuant to a request made of me by Mr. Mollis lela-
tive to ai)pearances of Lattimore before the Foreign bervice Institute,
I have a letter here, dated May 25, 1950, from the State Department,
as follows :
Dkvk S.NMOR TYi.iNGs: I un.UMstnncl that your subc'.muuittee is iuterestiHl in
le- rn - ofanv oc-c-asi,.ns on which Mr. Owen Lattimore has lectured tor the
Foreign Service Institute. Mr. Lattiniores only lecture at tlie Foreign Service
St ute wir.me given on .June 7,. 104G as part of the "Meet tlie 1 ul.hc ' ivrograni
ot thriSepartinent-^ Otlice of Public Affairs, as referred to in my letter to >ou of
'^ms^onI?''oiher connection with the Institute arose from the Departiuenfs
contnicTwith Johns Hopkins University in relation to the University's Mongol
laiiiTuage project, which is also covered in the letter of April 1<.
Sincerely yours, John E. PErmrov.
T mioht sav, in passing, that I have the letter of April IT which I
will in?orpoi-ate here in a few moments. This letter I would like to
have incorporated, without objection.
(The letter, submitted by Mr. Morgan, is as follows :)
Department of State,
Washington, April H, 1950.
The Honorable Millakd E. Tydings,
United States Senate.
My Dear Senator Tydings: Following Senator McCarthy's statement on
March 21 that a top Russian espionage agent, whom he privately ideiitified as Mr.
C^^enLatt more was an employee or consultant of the State Department, I sub-
mU?ed to vJur siihcommittee a brief statement of Mr. Lattimore's connections
w h th s Department, as revealed by a careful check of our personne records.
Si^iice M? Lat?imore las been publicly identified and since there has been con-
siderable public discussion concerning his relationship with the Department,
if is now appropriale to give in greater detail the instances of connections b^
iween Mr lS tkiore'and the Department Withovit any intention of reflec mg
y.!! AT. TnfHnnve ind for the purpose of setting the record straight, I believe
Tsh^iid stateTh 't Mr La tfmoi^e does not have a desk in the Department of State
Lr acceS to its files, and is neither an employee nor a top adviser of the De-
^'oToctober' if lolf Mr'owen Lattimore was appointed as an economic ad-
vise? to the Unied States Reparations Mission to Japan. He served witb the
mission mitil Febioiary 12. 1946. While on this assignment he was paid out of
"^rSSl^^^^TTil ^:^!ZlX^-on a program known as Meet
^^''f °Ti nff- iT In Ui^s c^iac Iv. Mr. Lattimore was not an employee of the
SepSe^tlnd i^cived no'remuner^ The following were the speakers on
this program :
r Ei^it K:i:indlS:S?of the Washington bureau of Newsw^k
Mr rh"u-les Px.lte. chairman of the American Veterans' Committee
gofSen L^S^oii^dil^ctor of the Walter Hines Page School of International
Relations. Johns Hopkins University
Prof Frederick L. Schuman. Williams College
Air TTprhprt Flliston editor of the Washington Post ^ ^ 4.- i
Mr. Eugene fieyerpresident of the International Bank of Reconstruction and
Dr Jacob Viner, professor of economics, Princeton University
Dr Harold Lasswell, professor of law. Yale University
Mr Wallace Deuel, editor of the Chicago News
1476 STATE DEPARTME^^T EMPLOYEE LOYALTY INVESTIGATION
Senator Wayne IMorpe
Mr. Thomas K. Finletter, vice chairman of Americans United for World Gov-
ernment, Inc.
Mr. James M. Landis, Chairman of the Civil Aeronautics Board
Senator Warren Austin
Dr. Arthur Compton, chancelor of Washington University, St. Louis
Mrs. Vera Micheles Dean, editor and re.search director of the Foreign Policy
Association
Mr. Kermit Eby, director of education and research, Congress of Industrial
Organizations
Mr. Hamilton Owens, editor of the Baltimore Sun (and Sun papers)
Prof. Franlv Tannenbaum, Columbia University
Mr. Gardner Murphy, American Psychological Association
Rev. Edmund A. Walsh, vice president of Georgetown University and regent of
the School of Foreign Service
Mr. David Lawrence, editor of the United States News and of the World Report
Mr. Robert Watt, international representative of the American Fedei'ation of
Labor
Mrs. Eleanor Roosevelt
Dr. Dexter I'erkius, professor of Latin American affairs, University of Rochester
Congressman Mike Mansfield
Dr. James P. Baxter, president of Williams College
On October 6, 7, and 8, 1049, ]\Ir. Lattimore. following preliminary correspond-
ence with the Department of State, was one of a group of 2.5 private individuals
participating in a round-table discussion arranged by the Office of Public Affairs
for the purpose of exchanging views on United States foreign policy toward China.
As a member of this group Mr. Lattimore was not an employee of the Department
and received no compensation but was reimbursed for expenses. Tliis round-
table discussion followed a solicitation of written views on the same topic from
a larger group in response to which the written views of 31 private individuals
were received and analyzed. Some of the members, including Mr. Lattimore,
were in botli groups. Both the written views received and the transcript of the
round-table discussions were made available as some of the background material
for consideration by Mr. Raymond B. Fosdick, Mr. Everett Case, and Ambassador
Jessup, who had been requested by the Secretary to review United States policy
toward the Far East. The 31 who expressed views initially in writing were :
Former Consul General Joseph W. Ballantine, now at Brookings Institution
Prof. Hugh Borton, Columbia University
Former President Isaaili Bowman, Johns Hopkins University
Dr. A. J. Brumbaugh, American Council on Education, Washington
Former Ambassador William Bullitt
Former LTnder Secretary Castle
Former Consul John A. Embry
Prof. Rupert Emerson, Harvard University
Dr. Charles B. Fahs, New York City
Prof. John K. Fairbanks, Harvard University
Dr. Huntington Gilchrist, Kew York City
Prof. Carrington Goodrich, Columbia University
Former Lender Secretary Grew
Col. Robert A'. Griffin, former Deputy Administrator, EGA, China
Former Ambassador Stanley K. Hornbeek
Roger Lapham, former Administrator, ECA, China
Prof. Kenneth S. Latourette, Yale University
Prof. Owen Lattimore, Johns Hopkins University
Oliver C. Lockhart, Export-Import Bank of Washington
Walter H. Mallory, Council on Foreign Relations
Prof. Wallace Moore, Occidental College, Los Angeles
Prof. Edwin O. Reischauer, Harvard University
C. A. Richards, Economic Cooperation Administration
Former Minister Walter S. Robertson, Richmond, Va.
Dr. Lawrence K. Rosinger, New York City ~ ^
Mr. James Rowe, Washington
Mrs. Virginia Thompson (Adoloff), New York City
Prof. Amry Vandenbosch, University of Kentucky
Prof. Karl A. Wittfogel, Columbia University
Prof. Mary Wright, Stanford University
Admiral Yarnell
STATE DEPARTMENT EMPLOYEE LOYALTY INVESTIGATION 1477
The 25 who attended the round-table discussions were :
Jo-soph W. ISalliintiiic. the RrookinjiS! Institution, AYashinjiton, D. C.
Bernard Brodie, department of international relations, Yale Universit.v, New
Haven, Conn.
Claude A. IUkss. Dire<tor of Studies. Army ^Var College, Washington, D. C.
Kenneth Colegrove, department of political science, Northwestern University,
Evanston, 111.
Arthur G. Coons, president. Occidental College, Los Angeles, Calif.
John W. Decker. International iMissionary Ccmncil, New York, N. Y.
John K. Fairhank. committee on international and regiimal studies, Harvard
University, Camhridge, Mass.
\Villiam R. Herod, president, International General Electric Co., New York, N. Y.
ArtlmrN. Holcombe, department of government, Harvard University, Cambridge,
Mass.
Ben.iamin H. Kizer, Graves, Kizer & Graves, Spokane, Wash.
Owen Baltimore, director, Walter Hines Page School of International Relations,
Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore, Md.
Ernest B. MacNaughton, chairman of the board, First National Bank, Portland,
Oreg.
George C. Marshall, president, American Red Cross, Washington, D. C.
J. Morden Murphy, assistant vice president, Bankers Trust Co., New York, N. Y.
Nathaniel Peffer, department of public law and government, Columbia University,
New York, N. Y.
Harold S. Quigley. department of political science. University of Minnesota,
Minneapolis, Minn.
Edwin O. Reischauer, department of Far Eastern languages. Harvard University,
Cambridge, Mass.
William S. Robertson, president, American & Foreign Power Co., New York,
N. Y.
John D. Rockefeller III, president. Rockefeller Brothers' Fund, New York, N. Y,
Lawrence K. Rosinger, American Institute of Pacific Relations, New York, N. Y.
Eiigene Staley, executive director, World Affairs Council of Northern California,
San Francisco, Calif.
Harold Stassen, president. University of Pennsylvania, Philadelphia, Pa.
Phillips Talbot, University of Chicago, Chicago, 111.
George E. Taylor, University of Washington, Seattle, Wash.
Harold M. Vinacke, department of political science. University of Cincinnati,
Cincinnati, Ohio
The following were invited to the round-table October 6, 7, and 8, 1949, but did
attend :
AV. Langbourne Bond, Pan American Airways, Washington, D. C.
Monroe E. Deutsch, provost, University of California
Anne O'Hare McCormick, New York Times
Moris T. Moore, chairman of the board of Time, Inc.
Michael Ross, director, department of international affairs, CIO
J. E. Wallace Sterling, president, Stanford University
In order to ascertain whether any facts whatsoever might support Senator
McCarthy's assertions that Mr. Lattimore has a desk in the Department, access to
its files, and a position as a top adviser on far-eastern affairs, a check has been
made witli officers of the Department who have been concerned with the Far
East, and many of whom have come to know Mr. Lattimore, who is widely re-
gai-ded as one of the loading experts in this held. Be.vond the normal contacts
found among persons having a connnon specialized professional training and
interest, this check developed only that Mr. Lattimore. as director of the Walter
Hines Page School of International Relations of Johns Hopkins Universit.v, has
paitici))ate(1 in setting up at Joiins Hopkins a Mongolian language pro.iect in
which the Department is interested. The Department of State, in line with the
policy of promoting and utilizing foreign language and other international stud-
ies in numerous American universities, has, under authority of Public Law 724
(79th Cong.), entered into a contract with the Johns Hopkins University, pur-
suant to which it has contrittuted .$.'',,20(> toward this language project. Very
much larger sums liave been made availalde for this project, it is understood, by
the American Council of Ijcarned Societies and the ("arnegie I-'oundation. lu
Connection with this project, it was possible to arrange foi- three Mongol scholars,
1478 STATE CEPARTMEXT EMPLOYEE LOYALTY INVESTIGATION
including Dilowa Hntnktu, or the "Livins Buddha," to enter the United States
and work in the ^\'alter IIin«\s I'age School in Baltimore. Oflioers of the Depart-
ment's Foreisn Service Institute have visited tlie project from time to time to
observe its progress, and a junior memher of the Foreign Ser\ice staff, a spe-
cialist on the Far East, whose salary is $4,650 a year, is studying at the Walter
Hines Page School as part of this project. The end results of the project will
be a descriptive grammar of the Mongolian language and other teaching ma-
terials in spoken INIongolian.
Mr. Lattiniore was recently sent by the Secretariat of the United Nations as a
member of a preliminary economic survey mission to Afghanistan. In this ca-
pacity, Mr. Lattiniore was hired by and responsible to the United Nations and
not the Department of State.
Mr. Lattiniore does not have a desk in the Department of State, nor does he
have access to its files. Of course, in connection with his OWI employment
(1!)42— 15) and his 4-month assignment to the Pauley Reparations Mission which
terminated February 12, 1948, Mr. Lattiniore, like others in such positions, might
have been required as part of his duties to consider some official papers from
other agencies of the Government, including the Department of State.
These are the facts.
Sincerely yours,
John E. Peueifoy,
Deputy Under Secretary.
Senator Tydings. Are 3^011 ntimberiiio; these so he can identify them ?
You want them all in the record here, don't you ?
Mr. Morgan, Without objection, I would like to ask to have incor-
porated in our record a letter to me of May 2, 1950, from the United
States attorney in New York City, pursuant to a request 6i mine con-
cerning the physical condition of Jacob Stachel, whom we had sub-
penaed. As I understand it, we have now determined that we should
not seek to require Stachel's aj^pearance, that is, the members of the
committee here. I would like to have this in the record.
Senator Tydtngs. Put it in.
(The letter, submitted by Mr. Morgan, is as follows :)
United States Department of Justice,
United States Attorney, Southern District of New York,
New York, N. Y., May 2, 1950.
He: United States v. Foster, ct al.
Edward P. Morgan, Esq.
Chief Counsel Suheommittee Ivnestigatiny the Sfn^e Deparliiuetit,
Senate Office BiiUding, Washington, D. C.
Sir: I am in receipt of your letter dated April 28, 1!)50. relating to the subpena
issued by the Subcommittee of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, directed
to Jacob Stachel.
The records of the district court for the southern district of New York disclose
that Stachel is represented on appeal from his conviction l,y George W. Crockett,
Jr. I have received information that Stachel is confined to his home under the
care of one Dr. Louis Finger, and has been a patient at Mt. Sinai Hospital for a
coronary condition. Doctor Finger, of course, has also been physician for Wil-
liam Z. Foster, national chairman of the Communist Party, and has submitted
affidavits in his behalf concerning a heart condition.
Stachel is presently under bond which restricts his movements to the southern
district of New York. However, I ha^e advised his attorney that I will con-
sent to an order permitting his appearance before the Subcommittee of the Sen-
ate Foreign Relations Committee pursuant to the subpena issued by you.
In addition, there is presently pending before the district court a motion made
by Stachel, as one of the 11 defendants seeking a general modification of the
hail bonds of all of them, to permit travel througliout the entire United States for
the pui'pose of making speeches and raising funds.
If I can be of any further assistance, please do not hesitate to call upon me.
Res]3ectfully,
Irving H. Saypol,
United States Attorney.
STATE DEPARTMENT EMPLOYEE LOYALTY INVESTIGATION 1479
Senator Lodge. I tliiiik it is just as important to snbpena Stacliel as
it is to subpena Jatfe and Browder. Obviously, he is one of the most
important figures in the whole thing. You don't get anything out of
these felloAvs even when you do subpena them. I think Stachel would
be as good a man to subpena as either Jaffe or Browder.
Senator Greex. I have no objection to it, but they defy you.
Senator Lodge. I thought they defied us after we subpenaed them.
Senator Greex. That is the reason we issue citations.
Senator Lodge. I am not citing Stachel. I am talking about sub-
penaing Stachel.
Senator Greex. I thought he was subpenaed.
Senator Lodge. No.
Senator Hickexlooper. He was.
Senator Greex. Was he requested to come?
Mr. MoRGAX^. He was subpenaed. Senator, and ordered to appear
o* about the same time as Browder.
Senator Greex. That is what I said ; he was subpenaed, and some-
body just contradicted me.
Senator Tydix^gs. He was subpenaed but filed a doctor's certificate
of ill liealth.
Senator Greex. That is it exactly. He was subpenaed but couldn't
come. When he came, he defied us and refused to answer questions.
Senator jNIcMahox". Has any check been made as to his condition ?
Mr. MoRGAX". Yes. That has been verified. He was confined at Mt.
Sinai Hospital with a heart condition; and, while I imagine that his
heart condition is probably not as bad as he might like the world to
believe, he apparently has a doctor who is so certifying, and he is con-
fined to his premises by reason of the heart condition.
Senator McMahox. What do you suggest. Senator ?
Senator Lodge. My position has been right along that if we subpena
Browder and Jaffe, we ought to subpena Stachel.
Senator McMahox. If we subpenaed them, what is your position
in view of this information, which is new to me ?
Senator Lodge. I don't have much faith in a Communist making any
excuse that he is too sick. To me, that doesn't carry much weight.
Senator McMahon. On the theory that all Communists, with which
I agree, are, per se, liars.
Senator Lodge. I doubt if we would get much information out of
them.
Senator Greex. I think the only object in asldng for a citation in
ihese other cases, because we have been defied by people, is to establish
our own self-respect ; but, where a man doesn't come because he is sick,
that is a different reason.
Senator Lodge. I just doubt whether he is that sick, without know-
ing anything about it.
Senator Greex. I know, but I don't think it is the sort of defiance
the way the other is, where you order them to answer questions and
they refuse. That is a defiance of our rights in the matter.
Senator Ttdixgs. We didn't get that other fellow that Senator
McCarthy had summoned and brought down here on a plane. He was
down here in AVashington and went home. We never even got him
down here. He was sick, too.
Senator McMahox'. I forgot about that "bird." Where is that
"bird"?
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Mr. Morris. I hear he wants to come down.
Senator Ttdings. Wliere did you hear it ?
Mr. Morris. From him.
Senator Ttdings. Where is he ?
Mr. Morris. He is home in Mount Vernon. I spoke to him on the
phone.
Senator McMahon. When?
Mr. Morris. I guess it was about 10 days ago.
Senator McMaiion. What did you talk to him about?
Mr. Morris. He came and consuked me in connection with his ap-
pearance down here. He asked me if, in my opinion, he was in con-
tempt, and I said, "Technically, you are." He submitted a doctor's
certificate. So he said, "What are you going to do?" I said, "Cer-
tainly, if I were you, I would write to Senator Tydings and tell him
you are willing to come down here and testify in executive session."
Senator JMcMaiion. Did you make any report as assistant counsel
to this committee on this conversation ?
Mr. Morris. To Mr. Morgan ? No ; I didn't.
Senator McMaiion. To any member of the committee?
Mr. Morris. I don't know whether I mentioned it to Senator Hick-
enlooper. No ; I don't think I did.
Senator McMaiion. Did you mention it to Senator McCarthy?
Mr. Morris. No.
Senator McMaiiox. Did you mention it to anybody in his office?
Mr. Morris. In Senator McCarthy's office ? No.
Senator McMaiion. I am rather surprised, because I should think
that information concerning a collapsible and disappearing witness —
if you thought it was important enough to talk to him and give him
advice — would be of some importance. I regret very much that you
didn't notify the chairman of the committee.
Mr. Morris. May I explain a little further ?
Senator McMahon. Sure.
Mr. Morris. I haven't been near my law office, I don't know, for a
long period of time, and I got phone messages. I noticed he had been
trying to reach me. He was trying to consult me sort of independent
with respect to my position on the committee. He wanted, as he