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he did. The laws of physiology and combustion show that he could not have
gone beyond the attempt. If a furnace were so constructed, that a man might
hold his hand in the flame without burning his body, the shock to the
nervous system would deprive him of all command over muscular action before
the skin could be "entirely consumed." If the hand were chained over the
fire, the shock would produce death.

In this case the fire was unconfined. Whoever has seen the effect of flame
in the open air, must know that the vast quantity sufficient entirely to
consume a human hand, must have destroyed the life of its owner; though,
from a peculiar disposition of the wood, the vital parts might have been

The entire story is utterly impossible. May we, guided by the words "as the
fire was kindling," believe that he _then_ thrust his right hand into the
flame - a practice I believe not unusual with our martyrs, and peculiarly
suitable to him - and class the "holding it till consumed" with the whole
and unconsumed heart?

I may observe that in the accounts of martyrdoms little investigation was
made as to what was possible. Burnet, describing Hooper's execution, says,
"one of his hands fell off before he died, with the other he continued to
knock on his breast some time after." This, I have high medical authority
for saying, could not be.

H. B. C.

U. U. Club.

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In Mr. Trench's charming little book on _Proverbs_, 2nd ed., p. 31., he

"There are not a few (proverbs), as I imagine, which, living on the
lips of men, have yet never found their way into books, however worthy
to have done so; either because the sphere in which they circulate has
continued always a narrow one, or that the occasions which call them
out are very rare, or that they, having only lately risen up, have not
hitherto attracted the attention of any one who cared to record them.
It would be well, if such as take an interest in the subject, and are
sufficiently well versed in the proverbial literature of their own
country to recognise such unregistered proverbs when they meet them,
would secure them from that perishing, which, so long as they remain
merely oral, might easily overtake them; and would make them at the
same time, what all _good_ proverbs ought certainly to be, the common
heritage of all."

"_Note._ - The pages of the excellent _Notes and Queries_ would no doubt
be open to receive such, and in them they might be safely garnered up,"

I trust this appeal of Mr. Trench's will be at once responded to by both
the editor and correspondents of this periodical. With the former {393}
must rest the responsibility of withholding from reproduction any proverbs,
which though sent him as novelties, may be already registered in the
recognised collections.

Mr. Trench's first contribution to this _bouquet_ of the wild flowers of
proverbial lore is the following, from Ireland:

"'_The man on the dyke always hurls well._' The looker on," says Mr.
Trench in explanation, "at a game of hurling, seated indolently on the
wall, always imagines that he could improve on the strokes of the
actual players, and if you will listen to him, would have played the
game much better than they, a proverb of sufficiently wide
application." - P. 32.

Each proverb sent in should be accompanied with a statement of the class
among whom, or the locality in which, it is current. The index to "N. & Q."
should contain a reference to every proverb published in its pages, under
the head of _Unregistered Proverbs_, or _Proverbs_ only. Correspondents
should bear in mind the essential requisite of a proverb, _currency_. Curt,
sharp sayings might easily be multiplied; what is wanted, however, is a
collection of such only as have that prerequisite of admission into the
ranks of recognised proverbs. And while contributors should not lose sight
of "the stamp of merit," as that which renders the diffusion of proverbs
beneficial to mankind, still they should not reject a genuine proverb for
want of that characteristic, remembering that, -

"'Tween man and man, they weight not every stamp;
Though light, take pieces for the _figure's_ sake."

And that the mere _form_ of a proverb often affords some indication of its
age and climate, even where the _matter_ is spurious. I have a large MS.
collection of English proverbs by me, from which I doubt not I shall be
able to extract some few which have never yet been admitted into any
published collection. Of these at some future time.



[We shall be happy to do all in our power to carry out this very
excellent suggestion. - Ed. "N. & Q."]

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The noble sentiments uttered by Justice Talfourd in his last moments gave a
charm to his sudden death, and shed a hallowed beauty about the painfully
closing scenes of this great man. I want them to have a niche in "N. & Q.,"
and along with them a passage from his beautiful tragedy of _Ion_, which
may be considered as a transcript of those thoughts which filled his mind
on the very eve of quitting the high and honourable duties of his earthly
course. It forcibly illustrates the loving soul, the kind heart, and the
amiable character of this deeply lamented judge.

After speaking of the peculiar aspect of crime in that part of the country
where he delivered his last charge, he goes on to say:

"I cannot help myself thinking it may be in no small degree
attributable to that separation between class and class, which is the
great curse of British society, and for which we are all, more or less,
in our respective spheres, in some degree responsible, and which is
more complete in these districts than in agricultural districts, where
the resident gentry are enabled to shed around them the blessings
resulting from the exercise of benevolence, and the influence and
example of active kindness. I am afraid we all of us keep too much
aloof from those beneath us, and whom we thus encourage to look upon us
with suspicion and dislike. Even to our servants we think, perhaps, we
fulfil our duty when we perform our contract with them - when we pay
them their wages, and treat then with the civility consistent with our
habits and feelings - when we curb our temper, and use no violent
expressions towards them. But how painful is the thought, that there
are men and women growing up around us, ministering to our comforts and
necessities, continually inmates of our dwellings, with whose
affections and nature we are as much unacquainted as if they were the
inhabitants of some other sphere. This feeling, arising from that kind
of reserve peculiar to the English character, does, I think, greatly
tend to prevent that mingling of class with class, that reciprocation
of kind words and gentle affections, gracious admonitions and kind
inquiries, which often, more than any book-education, tend to the
culture of the affections of the heart, refinement and elevation of the
character of those to whom they are addressed. And if I were to be
asked what is the great want of English society - to mingle class with
class - I would say, in one word, the want is the want of sympathy."

Act I. Sc. 2. After Clemanthe has told Ion that, forsaking all within his
house, and risking his life with strangers, he can do but little for their
aid, Ion replies:

"It is little:
But in these sharp extremities of fortune,
The blessings which the weak and poor can scatter
Have their own season. 'Tis a little thing
To give a cup of water; yet its draught
Of cool refreshment, drain'd by fever'd lips,
May give a shock of pleasure to the frame
More exquisite than when nectarean juice
Renews the life of joy in happiest hours.
It is a little thing to speak a phrase
Of common comfort, which, by daily use,
Has almost lost its sense; yet, on the ear
Of him who thought to die unmourn'd, 'twill fall
Like choicest music; fill the glazing eye
With gentle tears; relax the knotted hand
To know the bonds of fellowship again;
And shed on the departing soul a sense,
More precious than the benison of friends
About the honour'd death-bed of the rich,
To him who else were lonely, that another
Of the great family is near and feels."

The analogy is as beautiful as it is true.


North Brixton.

Before this talented judge was advanced to the bench, he amused himself and
instructed his clients by occasional _metrical_ notes, of which the annexed
is a specimen. To make it intelligible to those whom it may _not_ concern,
I must add an explanation by the attorney in the suit, who has obligingly
placed the learned serjeant's notes at my disposal. This gentleman says:
"These notes are in the margin of a brief held by the serjeant as leading
counsel in an action of ejectment brought against a person named Rock, in
1842. In converting into rhyme the evidence of the witness Hopkins, as set
out in the brief, he has adhered strictly to the statements, whilst he has
at the same time seized the prominent points of the testimony as supporting
the case."

John Hopkins will identify the spot,
Unless his early sports are quite forgot,
And from his youngest recollection show
The house fell down some forty years ago.
And then - a case of adverse claim to meet,
Show how the land lay open to the street;
And there the children held their harmless rambles,
Till Robert Woolwich built his odious shambles,
And never did the playmates fear a shock,
From anything so hateful as a _Rock_.

Perhaps the above may elicit from other quarters similar contributions;
indeed, any memorial of the friend of Charles Lamb must be precious to the



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In 1781, when the steam engine, only recently improved by Watt, was merely
applied to the more obvious purposes of mine drainage and the like, Darwin,
in his _Botanic Garden_, wrote -

"Soon shall thy arm, unconquer'd Steam! afar
Drag the slow barge, or drive the rapid car."

And in an appended note prophecies that the new agent might "in time be
applied to the rowing of barges, and the moving of carriages along the
road." The ingenious chronicler of the "loves of the plants," however, was
in no doubt, when he wrote, aware of the experiments of D'Auxiron, Perier,
and De Jouffroy; those prosecuted at Dalswinton and in America were some
years later, about 1787-8 I think. But in another and less widely known
poem by the same author, the _Temple of Nature_, published in 1802, there
occurs a very complete anticipation of one of the most important
applications of science to navigation, which may prove as novel and
striking to some of your readers as it did to me. It is, indeed, a
remarkable instance of scientific prevision. In a note to line 373, canto
ii. of the poem, the author sets out with, "The progressive motion of fish
beneath the water is produced principally by the undulation of their
tails;" and after giving the _rationale_ of the process, he goes on to say
that "this power seems to be better adapted to push forward a body in the
water than the oars of boats;" concluding with the query, "Might not some
machinery resembling the tails of fish be placed behind a boat so as to be
moved with greater effect than common oars, by the force of wind or steam?"


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The Memoranda Roll of the Exchequer, 4 & 5 Edward II., membrane 14.,
contains a list of the chattel-property of Richard de Fering, Archbishop of
Dublin, which had been sold by Master Walter de Istelep, the custos of said
See, for the sum of 112l. 10s. 9¾d. sterling, consisting, amongst other
things, of -

iij affr', price xijs.
xiij bobus, iiij_li_. vs.
xlvij acr' warrectan' & rebinand' ibidem, lxxs. vjd.
ij carucis cum apparatu, iiijs.
v crannoc' frumenti ad semen & liberationes famulorum ibidem sibi
venditis per predictum custodem, xxijs. vjd.
xj crannoc', iij bussellis aven', xxxixs. iijd.
iij carucis cum apparatu, vjs.

The chattel-property of Sir James Delahyde is set forth upon the Memoranda
Roll 3 & 4 Rich. II., mem. 3. _dorso_, and is as follows:

"Unu' collobiu' de rubio scarleto duplucat' c[=u] panno rubio, unu'
collobiu' duplex de sanguineto et Bukhorn', unu' collobi[=u] duplex, de
sanguineto et nigro, unu' gip' de serico auro int'text furrat' c[=u]
menivero, unu' gyp' de rubio et nigro furrat' cu' calibir', unu' gyp'
furrat cu' grys, unu' paltok' de nigro serico, unu' paltok de nigro
panno, unu' paltok' de nigro Bustian, duo cap'icia, una' pec' de rubio
Wyrset, unam pec' de nigro Wyrset, una' pec' panni linei vocat'
Westenale, quinq; pec' Aule pro camera & Aula, tres curtynis c[=u] uno
celuro de rubio Wyrset, quinq; mappas, duas pelves c[=u] lavatorio &
quatuor p'ia secular'."

Upon the attainder of William Fytzhenry of Dublin, "Capytayn," in the reign
of Edward VI., it was found by inquisition that he had "unum torquem aureum
ponder' septem uncias d[=i]," put in pledge for 20l., and worth 22l.
sterling. In this reign "quinque vasa vocat' fyrkyns de prunis" each worth
6s. 8d.; a firkin of wine, 5s., "a fyrkyn de aceto," 6s. 8d.; "quinque
tycks", worth 11s. 8d. each; and "duas duodenas cultellorum," worth 4s.,
{395} were brought to Dublin from St. Mallow in Brittany. In this reign
also 200 "grossos arbores," near Drogheda, were valued at 16l.; 18 "porcos"
were worth 40s.; 3 "modios frumenti" worth 20s.; and 5 "lagenas butteri,"
20s. During this reign a sum of 300l. was paid out of the Treasury to Sir
William Seyntloo, for the purpose of fortifying, &c. the Castle of Dyngham,
called "The Governor of Offayley," of which sum he paid to Matthew Lynete,
the Clerk of the Ordnance, -

For the hire of 4 carts from Dublin to the forte, 28th December, 71s.
1½d. ster.

3 other carts from Dublin to the sayd forte, 27th March, 2 Edw. VI.,

The carters that came from Dublin to the forte, 15th January and 19th
April, 2 Edw. VI., for the hire of 4 cartes by the space of 6 dayes,
53s. 4d.

In the 6 Edward VI. the goods of Thomas Rothe of Kilkenny, merchant, which
were seized by a searcher at Waterford, consisted of "30 pecias auri vocat'
Crussades," and "un' wegge argenti ponderant' xvj uncias argenti precij
cujuslibet uncie, 4s."

In the same year the property of Andrew Tyrrell, a merchant of Athboy,
consisted of -

Unam fardellam sive paccam, containing _Sterling._
unam peciam de lychefeldkerfeys, price 36s.
Unam peciam de greneclothe 4l.
Di' duoden' pellium vocat' red leese 3s. 4d.
2 duoden' de orphell skynnes 8s. 4d.
6 duoden' de Rosell gyrdels 12s.
Sex libr' de Brymstone 2s.
3 dudoen' de playng cardes 10s.
Un' gross' de fyne knyves 48s.
26 libr' cerici voc' sylke 8l. 13s. 4d.
Un' gross' de red poynts [104s. or 4s.]
Un' duoden' de pennars [102s. or 2s.]
Sex libr' de bykeres 102s.
1000 pynnes 20d.
Sex rubeas crumenas 2s.
Un' bagam de droggs 4s.
Un' burden' de stele 3s.
Sex boxes de comfetts 12s.
6 duoden' de lokyng glasses 18d.
Un' bolte de threde 2s. 8d.
Duas fyrkins de soketts 5s.
Duas duoden' de combes 12d.
2 lb. of packethrede 6d.
1 doz. of great bells 16d.
One payre of ballaunce 8d.
One piece of red cloth 4l.

In Queen Mary's time, in Ireland, a yard of black velvet was valued at 20s.
sterling; a yard of purple-coloured damask, at 13s. 4d. sterling; and a
yard of tawny-coloured damask, at 10s. sterling.

The foregoing have been taken from the ancient records of the Irish



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I have observed in some former Numbers of "N. & Q.," that an interest has
been manifested in regard to the writings, and especially to the letters,
of this prelate. It may therefore be interesting to your readers to be
informed, that an original painting, and perhaps the only one, of the
Bishop, is preserved at Trelawny House in Cornwall; and from its close
resemblance to the engraved portrait which is found in his works, I have no
doubt it is that from which that likeness was taken. There are also several
letters in the handwriting of Bishop Atterbury among the documents
preserved in the collection at that ancient mansion. That this portrait and
the letters should be preserved at Trelawny, is explained by the fact, that
before his elevation to the episcopal bench, Dr. Atterbury was chaplain to
Bishop Trelawny.

J. C.

Lines by Bishop Atterbury on Mr. Harley being stabbed by Guiscard:

"Devotum ut cordi sensit sub pectore ferrum,
Immoto Harlæus saucius ore stetit.
Dum tamen huic læta gratatur voce senatus,
Confusus subito pallor in ore sedet.
O pudor! O virtus! partes quam dignus utrasque
Sustinuit, vultu dispare, laude pari."

I found these lines written on the back of an odd volume of Atterbury's
_Sermons_. Most likely they have already appeared in print.

E. H. A.

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Minor Notes.

"_Milton Blind._" - A little poem bearing this title, and commencing, -

"Though I am old and blind,"

is said to have been included in an edition of the poet's works recently
published at Oxford. It was written by Miss Lloyd, a lady of this city, a
short time ago.



_Hydropathy._ - For a long time, I believe in common with many others, I
have imagined that the water cure is of late origin, and that we are
indebted for it to Germany, to which we look for all novel quackeries (good
and bad) in medicine and theology. This belief was put to flight a short
time ago by a pamphlet which I discovered among others rare and curious. It
is entitled _Curiosities of Common Water, or the Advantages thereof in
preventing and curing many Distempers_. The price of the pamphlet was one
shilling, and the author rejoices in the name of John Smith. After his name
follows a motto, the doctrine of which it {396} is the duty of all licensed
to kill according to law strenuously to protest against both by argument
and practice:

"That's the best physick which doth cure our ills
Without the charge of pothecaries pills."

E. W. J.


_Cassie._ - MR. M. A. LOWER (a correspondent of "N. & Q."), in his _Essays
on English Surnames_ (see vol. ii. p. 63.), quotes from a brochure on
Scottish family names. He seems, from a footnote, to be in difficulty about
the word _cassie._ May I suggest to him that it is a corruption of

The "causeway" is, in Scotch towns, an usual name for a particular street;
and of a man's surname, his place of residence is a most common source of

W. T. M.

_The Duke of Wellington._ - Lord de Grey, in his _Characteristics of the
Duke of Wellington_, pp. 171, 172., gives the following extract from the
despatches published by Colonel Gurwood, and refers to vol. viii. p. 292.

"It would undoubtedly be better if _language_ of this description were
never used, and if officers placed as you were could correct errors and
neglect in _language, which should not hurt the feelings_ of the person
addressed, and without vehemence."

Compare this passage with the following advice which Don Quixote gives to
Sancho Panza before he sets off to take possession of his government:

"Al che has de castigar con obras, no trates mal con palabras, pues le
basta al desdichado la pena del suplicio sin la anadidura de las malas
rezones." - Part II. ch. xlii.

See translation of _Don Quixote_ by Jarvis, vol. iv. b. III. ch. x. p.

The very depreciatory terms in which the Emperor Napoleon used to speak of
the Duke of Wellington as a general is well known. The following extract
from Forsyth's _Napoleon at St. Helena and Sir Hudson Lowe_, appears to me
worthy of being brought under the notice of the readers of "N. & Q.:"

"After the governor had left the house (upon the death of Napoleon he
had gone to the house of the deceased with Major Gorrequer to make an
inventory of and seal up his papers), Count Montholon called back Major
Gorrequer to ask him a question, and he mentioned that he had been
searching for a paper dictated to him by Napoleon a long time
previously, and which he was sorry he could not find, as it was a
_eulogium on the Duke of Wellington_, in which Napoleon had spoken in
the highest terms of praise of the military conduct of the Duke." - See
vol. iii. p. 299.


[Footnote 1: Jarvis translates the passage in _Don Quixote_, - "Him you are
to punish with deeds, do no evil; intreat with words, for the pain of the
punishment is enough for the wretch to bear, without the addition of

_Romford Jury._ - The following entry appears on the court register of the
Romford Petty Sessions (in Havering Liberty) for the year 1730, relating to
the trial of two men charged with an assault on Andrew Palmer. As a curious
illustration of the manner in which justice was administered in country
parts in "the good old times," I think it may be interesting to the readers
of "N. & Q."

"The jury could not for several hours agree on their verdict, seven
being inclinable to find the defendants guilty, and the others not
guilty. It was therefore proposed by the foreman to put twelve
shillings in a hat, and hustle most heads or tails, whether guilty or
not guilty. The defendants, therefore, were acquitted, the chance
happening in favour of not guilty."


_Edward Law (Lord Ellenborough), Chief Justice._ - J. M.'s quotation of the
song in the _Supplement to the Court of Sessions Garland_ (Vol. ix., p.
221.), reminds me of the lines on Mr. Law's being made Chief Justice:

"What signifies now, quirk, quibble, or flaw,
Since _Law_ is made _Justice_, seek justice from _Law_."



_Chamisso._ - Chamisso, in his poem of "The Three Sisters," who, crushed
with misery, contended that each had the hardest lot, has this fine passage
by the last speaker:

"In one brief sentence all my bitter cause
Of sorrow dwells - thou arbiter! oh, pause
Ere yet thy final judgment thou assign,
And learn my better right - too clearly proved.
Four words comprise it - I was never loved:
The palm of grief thou wilt allow is mine."

"He knew humanity - there can be no grief like that grief. Death had
bereaved one sister of her lover - the second mourned over her fallen
idol's shame - the third exultingly says, -

'Have they not lived and loved?'"

The above is written in a beautiful Italian female hand on the fly-leaf-of
the _Basia_, 1775.

E. D.

_Dates of Maps._ - It is very much to be wished that map-makers would always
affix to their maps the date of their execution; the want of this in the
maps of the Society for the Diffusion of Useful Knowledge has often been an
annoyance to me, for it frequently happens that one or both of two maps
including the same district are without date, {397} and when they differ in
some of the minor details, it requires some time and trouble to find, from
other sources, which is the most modern, and therefore likely to be the
most accurate.


_Walton._ - The following cotemporary notice of the decease and character of
honest Isaac's son, is from a MS. Diary of the Rev. John Lewis, Rector of
Chalfield and Curate of Tilbury:

"1719, Dec. 29. Mr. Canon Walton of Polshott died at Salisbury; he was
one of the members of the clergy club that meets at Melksham, and a
very pious, sober, learned, inoffensive, charitable, good man."

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