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Notes and Queries, Number 65, January 25, 1851

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As a matter of fact, I believe I may say, that there is no such thing in nature as a perfectly defined outline; since the diffraction of the rays, in passing it, causes them to be projected upon it more or less, according to the nature of the particular body, and the intensity of the light. And I may remark, by the way, that I believe this circumstance of the projection of a star upon the moon's disc at the time of an occultation, is to be accounted for on this principle (though with all due deference to higher authority); a phenomenon which is to this day unexplained. Of course every outline is rendered less defined by any motion of the eye of the observer, however slight. Hence, perhaps, the comparative indistinctness of outline commonly seen in pictures, compared with those in nature; as the artist {64} would be apt to take advantage of this circumstance, and give to his painting the same kind of effect the reality would have to an eye wandering over it; thereby taking away the attention from individual parts, and, as it were, forcing it to judge of the general effect, which general effect is, perhaps, the main object in painting. Hence it follows that wherever, in any design, separate portions are intended to arrest attention, the outline should be more defined and, accordingly, we may remark that Albert Durer, and others like him, who were very careful of minutiae, are also distinct and hard in their outlines, which is also the case, for the most part, in the Dutch school, and in architectural paintings, fruit-pieces, &c.; and we find that in proportion as the artist discards the comparatively unworthy minute accompaniments of his subject, and aims at unity of effect, so does he neglect sharpness of outline. Which is the _correct_ practice--distinctness, or indistinctness of outline--will be differently judged by those who hold different opinions on painting in general. While one person will maintain that a picture, to be perfect, must be an exact copy of nature, in short an artistic daguerreotype; another will hold almost the contrary; so that the subject of outline must be matter of opinion still. However, the lover of general effect has this rational ground of argument on his side, viz., there is no such thing as a strictly defined outline in nature, even to an eye at rest; while to one in motion, which is perhaps the normal state, that outline is rendered still more indistinct. H.C.K. ---- Rectory, Hereford, Dec. 28. 1850. * * * * * TEN CHILDREN AT A BIRTH. (Vol. ii., p. 459.) The curiosity excited by the perusal of my previous communication under the foregoing head, and the interesting editorial note appended in "NOTES AND QUERIES," induce me to continue the attempt to verify one of the most remarkable instances of abnormal fecundity in an individual of the human species recorded in modern times. The reader must judge of the following "circumstantial evidence:"-- 1. I have just seen widow Platts (formerly Sarah Birch), a poor, fat, decent woman, who keeps a small greengrocer's shop, in West Bar, Sheffield. She says she was born in Spring Street in the same town, on the 29th Sept. 1781; well remembers wondering why she was so much looked at when a girl: and her surprise, when afterwards told by her mother, that she was one of ten children born at the same time. Had often been told that she was so small at birth, that she was readily put into a quart measure; and for some time, lay in a basket before the fire "wrapped in a flannel like a newly hatched chicken." 2. The improbability of finding any living gossip who was present at the birth, must be obvious: but I have conversed with old women who had heard their mothers describe the occurrence from personal knowledge. 3. One ancient dame had no more doubt of the fact than the cause of it. Having apparently heard and believed a monstrous tradition of a multitudinous gestation extant in common "folklore." "It was," said she, with all gravity, "the effect of a wish," intended to spite the father; who, having had two children by his wife, and an interval of _nine years_ elapsing before the portentous pregnancy in question, did not desire, it seems, any further increase to his family. 4. The parents died, the daughter married, and the "story of her birth" was forgotten: until the publication of White's _Sheffield Directory_ in 1833, when, among other local memorabilia, the strange announcement of "ten children at birth," was reproduced on the contemporary authority of the _Leeds Mercury_. From that time Mrs. Platts has been more or less an object of curiosity. 5. The _Directory_ paragraph is as follows:-- "An instance of _extraordinary fecundity_ is recorded in the _Leeds Mercury_ of 1781, which says that _Ann_ [Sarah] _Birch_, of Sheffield, was, in that year, _delivered of ten children!!!_ We, in our time, have heard of Sheffield ladies having three children at birth; but we know no other case, but that of the aforesaid Mrs. Birch, which countenances the fructiferous fame which they have obtained in some circles." I have been unsuccessful in an effort to collate the foregoing with the original newspaper paragraph: but Mr. White, while he personally assured me of the veracity of the transcript, also pointed out to me an earlier version of the same fact from the same source in the _Annals of the Clothing Districts_, published about thirty years since. 6. In conformity with the suggestion (NOTES AND QUERIES, Vol. ii., p. 459), I have examined the Parish Register of Baptisms, but the entry is as curt and formal as possible, viz.:-- "Sarah, Dr. of Thos. and Sarah Birch, Cutler," under the date, Dec. 12.1781. Taking all the foregoing circumstances into account, there seems to me little ground for the erection of any strong objection to the alleged fact--extraordinary as it is--of ten children having been brought forth at one time; or, to the hardly less interesting coincidence, that one of them is still living. I cannot but add, that if the contemporary notice of this extraordinary birth in the _Leeds Mercury_ of 1781 should not be admitted as good evidence for the fact, it does, at least, negative the presumptive value of any objection {65} derived from the silence of the writer in the _Philosophical Transactions_ six years afterwards; strange as such silence assuredly appears. After all, the question occurs: What has become of the bodies said to have been preserved? As all parties concur in naming "old Mr. Staniforth" as the accoucheur in attendance on Mrs. Birch; and as that gentleman has been dead many years, I called upon his eldest surviving pupil, Mr. Nicholson, surgeon, to ask him whether, in conversation, or among the preparations in the surgery of his worthy master, he had ever met with any illustration of the parturition in question? He replied that he had not. It may not, perhaps, be out of place here to mention that the above-named Mr. Nicholson, surgeon, himself delivered a poor woman of five children, on the 10th of February, 1829, at Handsworth Woodhouse, near Sheffield. This case was even more remarkable than that which gave occasion to the paper which was read before the Royal Society in 1787, inasmuch as not only were four of the children born alive, but three of them lived to be baptized. N.D. Sheffield, Jan. 13. 1851. * * * * * SHAKSPEARE'S USE OF "CAPTIOUS." (Vol. ii., p. 354.) In _All's Well that Ends Well_, Act I. Sc. 3., Helena says to the Countess, speaking of her love for Bertram,-- "I know I love in vain; strive against hope; Yet, in this captious and intenible sieve, I still pour in the waters of my love, And lack not to lose still." It is not without hesitation that I venture to oppose MR. SINGER on a point on which he is so well entitled to give an opinion. But I cannot help thinking that MR. SINGER'S explanation, besides being somewhat too refined and recondite, is less applicable to the general sense and drift of the passage than that of Steevens, which Malone and Mr. Collier have adopted. What I think wanting to Steevens' interpretation, is an increase, if I may so express myself, of intensity. He takes the word, I conceive, in its right bearing, but does not give it all the requisite force. I should suggest that it means not merely "_recipient_, capable of receiving," but, to coin a word, _captatious_, eager or greedy to receive, absorbing; as we say _avidum mare_, or a _greedy gulf_. The Latin analogous to it in this sense would be, not _capax_, or MR. SINGER'S _captiosus_, but _captax_, or _captabundus_; neither of which words, however, occurs. The sense of the word, like that of many others in the same author, must be determined by the scope and object of the passage in which it is used. The object of Helena, in declaring her love to the Countess, is to show the all-absorbing nature of it; to prove that she is _tota in illo_; and that, however she may strive to stop the cravings of it, her endeavours are of no more use than the attempt to fill up a bottomless abyss. The reader may, if he pleases, compare her case with that of other heroines in like predicaments. Thus Medaea, in _Apollonius Rhodius_: [Greek: "Pante moi phrenes eisin amechanoi, oude tis alke Pematos."] And the same lady in _Ovid_: "---- Luctata diu, postquam ratione furorem, Vincere non poterat. Frustra, Medea, repugnas. ---- Excute virgineo conceptas pectore flammas, Si potes, infelix. Si possem sanior essem: Sed trahit invitam nova vis." Or Dido, in _Virgil_ or _Ovid_: "Ille quidem male gratus, et ad munera surdus; Et quo si non sim stulta carere velim: Non tamen AEneam, quamvis male cogitat, odi; Sed queror infidum, questaque pejus amo." Or Phaedra, in _Seneca_: ----"Furor cogit sequi Pejora: vadit animus in praeceps sciens, Remeatque, frustra sana consilia appetens. Sic cum gravatam navita adversa ratem Propellit unda, cedit in vanum labor, Et victa prono puppis aufertur vado." The complaints of all are alike; they lament that they make attempts to resist their passion, but find it not to be resisted; that they are obliged at last to yield themselves entirely to it, and to feel their whole thoughts, as it were, swallowed up by it. Such being the way in which Shakspeare represents Helena, and such the sentiments which he puts into her mouth, it seems evident that the interpretation of _captious_ in the sense of _absorbent_ is better adapted to the passage than the explanation of it in the sense of _fallacious_. "I know I love in vain, and strive against hope; yet into this _insatiable_ and _unretaining_ sieve I still pour in the waters of my love, and fail not to lose still." I said that the sense of _fallacious_ seemed to be too refined and recondite. To believe that Shakspeare borrowed his _captious_ in this sense, from the Latin _captiosus_, we must suppose that he was well acquainted with the exact sense of the Latin word; a supposition which, in regard to a man who had _small Latin_, we can scarcely be justified in entertaining. This interpretation is, therefore, too recondite: and to imagine Helena as applying the word to Bertram as being "_incapable of receiving_ her love," and "truly _captious_" (or deceitful and ensnaring) "in that respect," is surely to indulge in too much refinement of exposition. That Shakspeare had in his mind, as MR. SINGER {66} suggests, the punishment of the Danaides, is extremely probable; but this only makes the explanation of _captious_ in the sense of _absorbent_ more applicable to the passage, with which that of Seneca, quoted above, may be aptly compared. I am sorry that Johnson was so unfortunate as to propose _carious_ as an emendation; but even in doing this, he had, according to my notion of the lines, the right sense in view, viz., that of _letting through_ or _swallowing up_, like a rotten tub or a quicksand. I hope that MR. SINGER will take these remarks in good part, as being offered, not from a wish to oppose his opinion, but from a conviction that the interpretation now given is right, and from a desire that to every word in Shakspeare should be assigned its true signification. J.S.W. Stockwell. * * * * * SWORD OF WILLIAM THE CONQUEROR. (Vol. iii., p. 24.) There can be little doubt that the sword respecting which P. inquires is in the armoury at Goodrich Court. It was presented by Lord Viscount Gage to the late Sir Samuel Meyrick, and exhibited by Dr. Meyrick to the Society of Antiquaries, Nov. 23. 1826. The Doctor's letter is to be found in the Appendix to the _Archaeologia_ of that date, with an engraving of the sword. He states that the arms on the pommel are those of Battle Abbey, that its date is about A.D. 1430, and that it was the symbol of the criminal jurisdiction of the abbot. At the dissolution of the abbey it fell into the hands of Sir John Gage, who was one of the commissioners for taking the surrender of religious houses. Its entire length is 3 feet 5 inches, and the breadth of the blade at the guard 2 inches. The Doctor considers it to be "the oldest perfect sword in England." The arms are a cross, with a crown in the first and last quarters, and a sword in the second and third. There are also the letters T.L., the initials of the Abbot, Thomas de Lodelow, who held that office from 1417 to 1437. This fixes its date in the reign of Henry V., though the fact of the first William having been the founder of Battle Abbey has given colour to the tradition of its having been his property. W.J. BERNHARD SMITH. Temple. I much doubt the fact of the Conqueror's sword ever having been in the possession of the monks of Battle. Nor am I aware of any writer contemporary with the dissolution of that famous abbey who asserts it. William's royal robe, adorned with precious gems, and a feretory in the form of an altar, inclosing 300 relics of the saints, were bequeathed by him to the monastery; and Rufus transmitted them to Battle, where they were duly received on the 8th of the calends of November, 1088. This information is furnished by the _Chronicle of Battel Abbey_, which I have just translated for the press; but not one word is said of the sword. Though I have always lived within a few miles of Firle Place, the seat of the Gages, and though I am tolerably well acquainted with the history and traditions of that noble family, I never heard of the sword mentioned by P. Had that relic really been preserved at Battle till the time of Henry VIII., it is not improbable that it might have come into Sir John Gage's hands with the manor of Aleiston, of which he was grantee, while his son-in-law, Sir Anthony Browne, became possessor of the abbey itself. Will P. have the goodness to mention the source from which he obtained his statement? MARK ANTONY LOWER. Lewes. In reply to the Query respecting the sword of William the Conqueror (Vol. iii., p. 24.), I am enabled to inform you that the sword, and also the coronation robes, of William the Conqueror, were, together with the original "Roll of Battel," kept in the church or chapel of Battel Abbey until it was dismantled at the Reformation; when they were transferred to the part of the abbey which remained, and which became the possession and habitation of Sir Anthony Browne, Master of the Horse to Henry VIII. These precious relics continued in the possession of his descendants, who were created Lords Mountacute; and when Battel Abbey was sold by them to the ancestor of the present owner, they conveyed them to Cowdray Park, Sussex, where they remained until they were destroyed in the lamentable fire which burned down that mansion; and which, by a singular coincidence, took place on the same day that its owner, the last male representative of the Brownes Lords Mountacute, was drowned in a rash attempt to descend the falls of Schaffhausen in a boat. E.H.Y. * * * * * MEANING OF EISELL. (Vol. ii., pp. 241. 286. 315. 329) After all that has been written on this subject in "NOTES AND QUERIES," from MR. SINGER'S proposition of wormwood in No. 46., to MR. HICKSON'S approval of it in No. 51., the question remains substantially where Steevens and Malone had left it so many years agone. It is not necessary to discuss whether vinegar, verjuice, or wormwood be the preferable translation of the Shakspearian word; for before either of them can be received, the advocate is bound to {67} accommodate his exposition to Shakspeare's sentence, and to "get over the _drink up_," which still stands in his way as it did in that of Malone. MR. SINGER get over the difficulty by simply saying "to _drink up_ was commonly used for simply to _drink_." The example he quotes, however,-- "I will drink Potions of eysell,"-- is not to his purpose; it is only an equivalent by the addition of the words "_potions of_" to give it the same definite character. Omit those words, and the question remains as before. MR. HICKSON (Vol. ii., p. 329.) has laid down "a canon of criticism for the guidance of commentators in questions of this nature," so appropriate and valuable, that I cannot except to be bound by it in these remarks; and if in the sequel his own argument (and his friend's proposition to boot) shall be blown up by his own petard, it will show the instability of the cause he has espoused. "Master the _grammatical construction_ of the passage in question (if from a drama, in it dramatic and scenic application), deducing therefrom the general sense, before you attempt to amend or fix the meaning of a doubtful word." Such is the canon; and Mr. HICKSON proceeds to observe, in language that must meet the approval of every student of the immortal bard, that-- "Of all writers, none exceed Shakspeare in _logical correctness_ and nicety of expression. With a vigour of though and command of language attained by no man besides, it is fair to conclude, that _he would not be guilty of faults of construction such as would disgrace a schoolboy's composition_." With this canon so ably laid down, and these remarks so apposite, MR. HICKSON, taking up the weak point which Mr. SINGER had slurred over, observes-- "_Drink up_ is synonymous with _drink off_, _drink to the dregs_. A child taking medicine is urged to 'drink it up.'" Ay, exactly so; drink up what? _the_ medicine; again a defined quantity; dregs and all,--still a _definite_ quantity. MR. HICKSON proceeds: "The idea of the passage appears to be that each of the acts should go beyond the last preceding in extravagance. 'Woo't weep? woo't fight? woo't fast? woo't tear thyself? Woo't drink up eisell?' and then comes the climax--'eat a crocodile?' Here is a regular succession of feats, the last but one of which is sufficiently wild, though not unheard of, and leading to the crowning extravagance. The notion of drinking up a river would be both unmeaning and out of place." From this argument two conclusions are the natural consequences: first, that from _drinking up_ wormwood,--a feat "sufficiently wild but not unheard of," to eating a crocodile, is only a "regular succession of events;" and, secondly, that the "crowning extravagance," to eat a crocodile, is, after all, neither "unmeaning" nor "out of place;" but, on the contrary, quite in keeping and in orderly succession to a "drink up" of the bitter infusion. MR. SINGER (vol. ii., p. 241.) says: "Numerous passages of our old dramatic writers show that it was a fashion with the gallants of the time to do some extravagant feat as proof of their love." I quite agree with him, if he mean to say that the early dramatists ascribe to their gallants a fashion which in reality belongs to the age of Du Gueslin and the Troubadours. But Hamlet himself, in the context of the passage in question, gives the key to his whole purport, when, after some further extravagance, he says: "Nay, an thoul't mouth, I'll rant as well as thou." That being so, why are we to conclude that each feat of daring is to be a tame possibility, save only the last--the crowning extravagance? Why not also the one preceding? Why not a feat equally of mere verbiage and rant? Why not a river? Adopting MR. HICKSON'S canon of criticism, the grammatical construction of the passage requires that a definite substantive shall be employed to explain the definite something that is to be done. Shakspeare says-- "Woul't drink up esile?"[9] --a totality in itself, without the expression of quantity to make it definite. If we read "drink up wormwood," what does it imply? It may be the smallest possible quantity,--an ordinary dose of bitters; or a pailful, which would perhaps meet the "madness" of Hamlet's daring. Thus the little monosyllable "up" must be disposed of, or a quantity must be expressed to reconcile MR. SINGER'S proposition with Mr. HICKSON'S canon and the grammatical sense of Shakspeare's line. If with Steevens we understand _esile_ to be a river, "the Danish river _Oesil_, which empties itself into the Baltic," the _Yssel_, _Wessel_, or any other river, real or fictitious, the sense is clear. Rather let Shakspeare have committed a geographical blunder on the information of his day, than break {68} Priscian's head by modern interpretation of his words. If we read "_drink up esile_" as one should say, "_woul't drink up Thames?_"--a task as reasonably impossible as setting it on fire (nevertheless a proverbial expression of a thirsty soul, "He'll drink the Thames dry"),--the task is quite in keeping with the whole tenor of Hamlet's extravagant rant. H.K.S.C. Brixton. [Footnote 6: So the folio, according to my copy. It would be advantageous, perhaps, to note the spelling in the earliest edition of the sonnet whence MR. SINGER quotes "_potions of eysell_:" a difference, if there be any, would mark the distinction between Hamlet's river and the Saxon derivative.] * * * * * ALTAR LIGHTS, ETC. (Vol. ii., p. 495. Vol. iii., p. 30.) The following passage from the works of a deeply pious and learned Caroline Divine, which I have never before seen quoted, merits, I think, a place in "NOTES AND QUERIES:"-- "As our Lord himself, so his Gospel also, is called Light, and was therefore anciently never read without a burning taper, '_etiam Sole rutilante_' ('tis Saint Hierome's testimony), though it were lighted in the sun.... The careful Church, perceiving that God was so much taken with this outward symbol of the Light, could do no less than go on with the ceremony. Therefore, the day of Our Lord's nativity was to be called [Greek: epiphania], or, appearing of the Light; and so many tapers were to be set up the night before, as might give name to the vigil, '_Vigilia Luminum_'. And the ancients did well to send lights one to another, whatsoever some think of the Christmas candle. The receiving of this Light in Baptism, though called not usually so, but [Greek: photismos], Illumination, which further to betoken the rites, were to celebrate this sacrament [Greek: haptomenon panton ton keron], etc., with all the tapers lighted, etc., as the order in the Euchologus. The Neophytus, also, or new convert, received a Taper lighted and delivered by the Mystagogus, which for the space of seven days after, he was to hold in his hand at Divine service, sitting in the Baptistery. "Who perceiveth not that by this right way the Tapers came into the Church, mysteriously placed with the Gospel upon the altar as an emblem of the Truer Light?... "The Funeral Tapers (however thought of by some) are of the same harmless import. Their meaning is, to show that the departed souls are not quite put out, but having walked here as the Children of the Light, are now going to walk before God in the Light of the Living. The sun never rose to the ancients, no, not so much as a candle was lighted, but of this signification. '_Vincamus_' was their word, whensoever the Lights came in; [Greek: phos gar ten Niken], etc., for Light (saith Phavorinus) betokeneth victory. It was to show what trust they put in the Light, in whom we are more than conquerors. Our meaning is the same when, at the bringing in of a candle, we use to put ourselves in mind of the Light of Heaven: which those who list to call superstition do but 'darken counsel by words without knowledge.' _Job_ xxxviii. 2."--Gregorie's _Works_, 4th ed. p. 110. Lond. 1684. I believe it is a fact, that in some churches (I hope not many) lamps or candles are placed on the altar _unlighted_ during divine service. Now I would not quarrel with persons who have objections to altar lights, &c., but I have no patience with that worse than superstition which would place _unlighted_ candles on the altar,--if they symbolize any thing, it is damnation, excommunication, misery, and dark woe. Coming out of a church one time in which unlighted candles were ostentatiously displayed, I was forcibly reminded of an hieroglyphical of Quarles--an extinguished taper,--and under it the words, "_Sine lumine inane_." "How canst thou be useful to the sight? What is the taper not endued with light?" I can hardly refrain from quoting here a beautiful passage from Wordsworth: "Our ancestors within the still domain Of vast cathedral, or conventual gloom, Their vigils kept: when tapers day and night On the dim altar burn'd continually, In token that the house was evermore Watching to God. Religious men were they, Nor would their reason, tutor'd to aspire Above this transitory world, allow That there should pass a moment of the year When in their land the Almighty's service ceased." Any communication of interest of the above subject will much oblige JARLTZBERG. * * * * * REPLIES TO MINOR QUERIES. _Handbell before a Corpse_ (Vol. ii., p. 478.).--It is usual, at the funeral of any member of the University of Oxford, for the University marshal and bellman to attend in the character of _mutes_. As the procession moves along, the latter rings his bell at about half-minute time. I have witnessed it also when the deceased has been one of the family of a member of the University, and when he has been a matriculated person. I have never considered it as anything but _a cast of the bellman's office_, to add more solemnity to the occasion. [Hebrew: b]. L---- Rectory. Somerset. _Sir George Downing_ (Vol. ii., pp. 464. 497.).--It may assist your querist "ALPHA," to be informed that among the monuments to the family of Pengelly, in the church of Whitchurch near Tavistock, in the county of Devon, is one to the memory of Ann, wife of Francis Pengelly, and daughter of Sir George Downing of East Hatley in the county of Cambridge, who died the 23rd of November, 1702; with the arms of Pengelly impaling Barry of six argent and gules, over all a wyvern or--for Downing. {69} Nicholas Downing of Exeter College, vicar of Kingsteignton, in Devon, who died in 1666, and was buried there, seems to have been of another family, as he bore a very different coat of arms. A Lieut. Downing was buried in Charles church, Plymouth, in 1799, but the arms on his monument are not the same as either of the above. Other than these, I know of none of the name, ancient or recent, in the county, and I shall be glad to learn on what ground Sir George Downing's family is said to be of most ancient origin in Devonshire. The name does not appear in Westcote, Pole, Prince, Risdon, or the Heralds' visitations, and the modern authorities state that the family was from Essex or Norfolk. J.D.S. The following memorandum I found accidentally on the margin of a MS. pedigree of Downing, but I am sorry I cannot recall the source from whence I obtained it. Possibly, however, it may assist "ALPHA" in his enquiry. "Sir George Downing was not the son of Calibut Downing, rector of Hackney, but of Emmanuel Downing, a London merchant, who went to New England. Governor Hutchinson, in his _History of Massachusetts_, gives the true account of Downing's affiliation, which has been further confirmed by Mr. Savage, of Boston, from the public records of New England." J.P.C. _Hulls, the Inventor of Steam-boats_ (Vol. iii., p. 23.).--Your facetious correspondent, NOCAB, may gain some information relative to his friend Jonathan Hulls, by going to the British Museum, and asking for the following book from Mr. Grenville's library. I will give the full title and Mr. Grenville's note, as it stands in my Catalogue of the library. GRENVILLE CATALOGUE (Vol. i. p. 351.) "Hulls, Jonathan. A Description and Draught of a new-invented Machine for carrying vessels or ships out of, or into any harbour, port, or river, against wind and tide, or in a calm. For which his Majesty has granted letters patent, for the sole benefit of the Author, for the space of Fourteen years. London, 1737, folding plate.[10] 8vo. R.[11] "This new invented machine is a steam-boat. It entirely puts an end to the claims of America to the invention of steam navigation, and establishes for this country the honour of that important discovery." HENRY FOSS. 42. Devonshire Street, 12. Jan. 1851. [Footnote 7: Representing, as well as I remember, a perfect steam-boat.] [Footnote 8: Meaning Russia binding.] [We are also indebted to [Curly-pi] for a reply to NOCAB'S query.] "_The lucky have whole days_" (Vol. i., pp. 231. 351.).--I can inform your correspondents P.S. and H.H., that the passage in question is correctly quoted by the latter at p. 351., and that it is to be found in Dryden's _Tyrannic Love_. HENRY H. BREEN. St. Lucia, West Indies, Nov. 1850 "_Clarum et venerabile nomen_" (Vol. ii., p. 463.).--Your enquirer as to whence comes "Clarum et venerabile nomen," &c., will find them in Lucan. Book ix. l. 203. E.H. Norwich. _Occult Transposition of Letters_ (Vol. i., p. 416.; Vol. ii., p. 77.).--_Concert of Nature._--Other examples of these ambiguous verses are given by J. Baptista Porta, _de Furtivis Literarum Notis_, one of which has suggested the following lines, as conveying the compliments of the season to the editor of "NOTES AND QUERIES:" but which, transposed, would become an unseasonable address:-- "Principio tibi sit facilis, nec tempore parvo Vivere permittat te Dea Terpsichore. Si autem conversis dictionibus leges, dicent,-- Terpsichore Dea te permittat vivere parvo Tempore, nec facilis sit tibi principio." I beg leave sincerely, to add, in the words of Ausonius (Ep. xxv.),-- "Quis prohibet Salve atque Vale brevitate parata Scribere? Felicesque notas mandare libellis." This magnificent epistle inculcating-- "Nil mutum Natura dedit: non aeris ales Quadrupedesve silent," &c. should be compared with the celebrated stanza of Spenser's _Faerie Queen_ (book ii. canto xii. st. 71.), beginning with "The joyous birds shrouded in cheareful shade;" and with D'Israeli's animated defence, in his _Amenities_ (vol. ii. p. 395.) of these charming verses against the [Greek: plemmeles] and tasteless, the anti-poetical and technical, criticism of Twining, in his first _Dissertation on Poetical and Musical Imitation_. T.J. _Darby and Joan_ (Vol. iii., p. 38.).--I never heard of the tradition mentioned by H. I can only suppose that the poet referred to was the first person who introduced the ballad at the manor-house. Helaugh Nichols, an excellent authority in such matters, whose trade traditions, through the Boyers, father and son, went back a century and a half, tells us that the ballad was supposed to have been written by Henry Woodfall, while an apprentice to Darby. The Darbys were printers time out of mind--one Robert Darby was probably an assistant to Wynkyn de Worde, who certainly left a legacy to a person of that name. The Woodfalls, too, can be traced up as printers for nearly two centuries. _The_ Darby, and Joan, his wife, were probably John Darby, printer, in Bartholomew Close, who was {70} prosecuted in 1684 for printing "Lord Russell's Speech," and died in 1704. _The_ Woodfall, the printer, is understood to have been Henry Woodfall, afterwards "Woodfall without Temple Bar," grandfather of Henry Sampson, the printer of _Junius' Letters_, and great-great-grandfather of the present excellent printer of the same name. J.D.Y. _Did Bunyan know Hobbes?_ (Vol. ii., p. 518.).--Before this question, put by JAS. H. FRISWELL, can be answered satisfactorily, it should be shown that Bunyan was the author of the _Visions of Hell_. In _Chambers' Journal_ for Sept. 7. 1833, n., it is taken for granted that he was, and the passage alluding to Hobbes is noticed. Your correspondent more justly questions the fact. A very intelligent friend of mine, who has devoted much research into the supposed origin of the _Pilgrim's Progress_, the result of which I hope ere long will appear, tells me that he is decidedly of opinion that the _Visions_ in question are not the production of the "prince of dreamers." He believes the _Visions_ first appeared as Bunyan's in a stereotyped collection or selection of his works, about 1820-8. Some time after seeing this, my friend was surprised at meeting with the following little volume, which is now before me: _The World to Come. The Glories of Heaven, and the Terrors of Hell, lively displayed under the Similitude of a Vision_. By G.L., Sunderland. Printed by R. Wetherald, for H. Creighton, 1771. 12mo. The running title, as far as p. 95., is, _The World to Come; or, Visions of Heaven_; and on that page commence the _Visions of Hell, and of the Torments of the Damned_: and here it is the author has _charitably_ placed Hobbes, with whom the colloquy alluded to by your querist occurs. I shall not occupy your papers with any remarks on the ignorance betrayed by G.L. (whoever he may be), both of the writings and character of Hobbes; but I shall be glad if I can lead to the elucidation of what yet remains a literary obscurity, and obtains the name of G.L. F.R.A. _Mythology of the Stars_ (Vol. iii., p. 23.).--G.I.C. is recommended to study the ordinary celestial globe, and to make himself familiar with its _use_, in order to enhance the interest of the spectacle of the sidereal heavens as seen by the naked eye. He is also particularly referred to the _Celestial Cycle_, by Capt. Smyth, published by Parker and Co., West Strand, in 2 vols. 8vo., price 2l. 2s.; a book full of astronomical and mythological gossip. G.I.C. will find books on _Astrology_ for sale at Maynard's, No. 8. Earl's Court, Cranbourn Street, Leicester Square, more readily, perhaps, than any where else in London. ROBERT SNOW. 6. Chesterfield Street, Mayfair, Jan. 13. 1851. _Dodo Queries_ (Vol. i., pp. 261, 262.).--MR. STRICKLAND is informed, that in the list of Pingre's works, as given in Querard's _France Litteraire,_ there is one with the following title:-- "Memoire sur les Decouvertes faites dans la Mer du Sud, avant les derniers Voyages des Francais autour du Monde, lu a l'Academie des Sciences, 1766, 1767, 1778, in. 4." I have not read Pingre's works, but if they contain any mention of _Solitaires_, it will probably be found in the _Memoire_ above referred to. HENRY H. BREEN. St. Lucia, W.I., Nov. 1850. _Holland Land_ (Vol. ii., pp. 267. 345.; Vol. iii., p. 30).--In an ancient charter, in my possession, bearing date 19 Edw. I.: "Gilebertus dictus ate Vorde, de Farlegh," and "James, son of the late Philip de Essche," quitclaim to James, son of Paulinus de Wynchelse: "dimidiam acram terre Flandrensis ... in villa de Ickelesham," to have and to hold una cum redditu et servitio mihi (_sic_) pertinentibus de alia dimidia acra terre Flandrensis." The _polders_ of Holland are familiar to all travellers, as lands lying below the level of the sea, once a mere morass, redeemed from that state, and brought into cultivation by embankments, &c., &c. In another charter, somewhat earlier in date and relating to the same district, viz. the neighbourhood of Winchelsea, Hamo de Crevecour speaks of lands in La more in Ideun, which the monks of Robertsbridge, with consent of his father Hamo, "a mari incluserunt." I have always supposed that the "terra Flandrensis" of my charter signified land of the same description as the Dutch polders; the art of thus redeeming land being probably introduced from the Low Countries. It is not unlikely that, in that day, lands so brought into cultivation were designated as "terre Flandrenses," and the term afterwards anglicised into "Holland Land." L.B.L. _Swearing by Swans_ (Vol. ii., p. 392.).--Symbology of the swan. "Tunc allati sunt in pompatica gloria duo cygni, vel olores, ante regem, &c. &c.,--vindicaturus."[12]--_Matthaeus Westmonasteriensis_. Dr. Lingard states that "the vows of chivalry were not taken on the gospels, but, ridiculous as it may appear, in the presence of a peacock, or {71} pheasant, or other bird of beautiful plumage."--_History of England_, Edward I. "Nec dissimili ingenio Heraldi antiquiores, musicos et cantatores cygnis[13] donarunt. Ejusque haud ignarus perspicax noster Franciscanus cum hos a non cantoribus latos observasset, rationem se ait a rege heraldorum petiisse, eumque duplicem assignasse: hanc quia viri essent pulcherrimi, illam quia haberent longa colla. Sane candorem animi per cygni effigiem antiquitus praedicabant, nec insulse igitur corporis. Sed gloriae studium ex eodem hoc symbolo indicari multi asserunt. "Cum Edwardus primus," &c. &c.--Spelmanni _Aspilogia_, p. 132. The Spaniards found that the swan had been employed emblematically in Mexico, supporting the theory of Hornius that that part of America was colonised by the Phoenicians and Carthaginians, inasmuch as, according to Bryant, "where the Canaanites or their descendants may have settled, there will a story be found in reference to swans." The mythological history of the Cygnus will be found in the latter author's _Analysis_, and in Hill's _Urania, or a Complete View of the Heavens, containing the Ancient and Modern Astronomy, in Form of a Dictionary_, which will perhaps meet the wants of G.I.C. (Vol. iii. p. 24.). It will not, perhaps, be irrelevant to this subject to advert to the story of Albertus Aquensis (in _Gesta Dei per Francos_, p. 196.), regarding a _Goose and a Goat_, which in the second crusade were considered as "divino spiritu afflati," and made "duces viae in Jerusalem." Well may it be mentioned by the histoian as "scelus omnibus fidelibus incredibile;" but the imputation serves to show that the Christians of that age forgot what a heathen poet could have taught them,-- [Greek: "Eis oionos aristos amynesthai peri patres.
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