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& that they have only a power of Counsailing & advising,
because every particular Congregation is a church ; and
that a Compleat church, and that it is Immediately given
vnto every congregation from Christ to be a single &
vncompounded policy: (These are the very words of
M"" lacob, & Parker, & Baines,) And now the Dutch
Classis & Synods conclude that such opinions as these
do cleane overthrow the nature of their goverment; and
y' amongst such diversity of opinions no true Classis can

2. Because of the Complaint of the french & wallons in
those countries . . because they have a Classis graunted
vnto them : It were better (they say by experience) that
they had no classis but were (as M"" Paget is) mixed into
the Dutch Classes, for by reason of the distan[ce ?] of
their dwelling they cannot have Monthly or quarterly
Meetings, as Classes have, but only annuall as Synods :
and that then there [?] is such trouble in their gathering
together some dwelling in one province & some in another
at such great distance that they never all...& by reason of
their few meetings the[re ?] grow vp many Enormities in
particular congregations vnpunished:...
That now in this p7-esent yeare 1633. M"" forbes & his
Classists obtaining a new commissi[on] for their classis
fro7n the Councell of State, M"^ Paget hath presented the
busines againe to his Classis at Amsterdam the 4^'^ of
Aprill : being the first Monday in the month. And they
have promised their vttmost endeavour to hinder it...

Concerning M"" Peters ordinacton

1. There was a New Covenant made with [?] certaine
precise & strict obligactons to •which, they should bind
themselves, and he would be chosen by none but them

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that would put there [?] hands to that paper. This saith
M"" Paget was a kind of Excuminunicacton to above two
parts of the congregacron in former times. & hath caused
the difficulty of admini.s[t]Ting the sacrament because he
will give it to none but them whose names are at his New
Covenant. Those New Covenanted must choose & Call
him. so before these a sermon was made by M"" forbes.

2. There was [j^et/ooroi/em. first by all the men, but said
M"" forbes, I see what the men do: but w/tat do the
weomen do. Therevpon they fell a ;i^et/30Tonising too &
Lift vp their Hands.

3. There was 'x^etpoOea-La. The Imposing of all the hands
of the present Ministers except M"" Daye who was not
desired (M'' OHm of weasell was present and confirmes
all this) and M"" Forbes held them above halfe an hower
laijng [laying] his burthen vpon him in these words &
manner, as if he had never beene made minister./

One Thomas Cranford : who doth vsually eate at Stephen
ofwoods : is putting out the Bibles, they are printing in a
house by the South Church, and one Stasmore a Brownist.
who is discontented about the busines if it be well carried
will easily tell all ; & bring you to the place, Stephen
ofwood is certainely the man which procures the printing
of all the blew bookes...

[A Letter of Alexander Browne to Sir William Boswell,
dated " Rotterdam the first of Nouem6er", 1633.]^

Sence my laste beinge w^^ you I haue littell or noe newss to
Informe you of only M' Peter reported to sum of his peopell
that he was to preach his farewell sermond at delft the last
Sunday : and to Icaue it A dessolaite plaice wheer their [?] was
wepinge Amongest his femall [female] saintes to heir of the
sad stories he related vnto them heir at Rotterdam before he
departed : for nowe insteed of preacheingc woe should haue A
littell with many other skandolous wordes he

1 Add. MS. 6394 (Boswell Papers, Vol. i.), fol. 153 recto.

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eussed [used] vpon the Common prayer:... his prefaice to the
fresh supplie is printed and I am promissed one of them but I
shall noe sonner [sooner] receaue it but I will send it forwarde
to your Honnor. I haue heir sent you M"" Peters Couenant
w°*^[?] he maide and vnless wee will all subscribe to this his
Couenant wee shall not be admitted to the lords Table neither
ould members nor newe : so that it semes to me our Church
formerly was noe Church : but what authoritie he haith to doe
these thinges : I knowe not : for he him sellf saith the C[h]urch
of Eingland doth Tije \sic\ the Concienc of men to do this and
that, and he for his parte in this his Couenant Tieth both
Concienc: and purss...

[A Letter of Henry Elsynge's to Sir William Boswell, dated
Amsterdam lune the Q-^^ 1633 ".^

There are very pretty differences now in motion betweene the
Brownists heere [in Amsterdam], they haue diuided their
Brotherhoods, some goe along with John D'ecluse, some with
M^ Kan [Canne], the tv^o heads of that diuided Bodye, of which
indeede there are none willing to bee feete, or any other
enferior members, they would all bee heads : lohn D'ecluse has
deliuered vp to Sathan il/*" Kan, & his Sectaries, d: M'' Kan will
shortly bee ready, to doe him <& his, the like courtesie. Stephen
Offivod my Host was once one of the Brotherhood, but tis long
since hee fell from it : but his wife <& children continuing still
among them, hee has written a booke which hee directs to them, in
which hee layes the Broivnists very open, <t layes doivne motiues
S reasons to his wife & children, why they should forsake {as hee
termes them) their abominac[i\ons : but that hee maye shew
himselfe auerse to the Church of England <L' the discipline therein
setled & approued of, hee has a Tract wherein hee shewes that
the English of these Churches lieere, had very good reason to
leaue the Church of England, bringes in a short Nai-ratiue of the
Troubles of Franckfort, when the English first endeauored in the
beginning of Queene Maryes tynie, to erect a Church there, & vpon
that occasion, brings in likewise the... opinion of M*" Calvin,

1 Add. MS. 6394 (Boswell Papers, Vol. i.), fol. 142.
B. II. 18

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BuUinger i: others of our Booke of Common Prayer: but that
I feare yo?/r occasions, would not dispence with soe vnworthy
an InleiTuptiun, I had sent ijou the Booke. There is heere alsoe
an English Bible now printed, according to the Exemplary of
that Bible, which was printed in the Queenes tyme (Anno
1599[)], & (as they saye) since by King lames prohibited to bee
any more printed : & that it may passe the better in London
& with the more securitie, it beares the same date with the other,
<Ss is soe punctually the same unth it, that it is I thinke impossible
to distinguish them

[Part of a letter probably written by Stephen Goflfe, of the
date 1633.]'

It is to be observed that of those Engl: Minister[s] [in the
Netherlands] wAich vse not the English forme [of Liturgy]
1. Some vse the Dutch translated, as M"" Paine, but yet that
mended much left out, and some things added, as may appears
by M"" Paines booke. /

2. Some vse none at all as M"" Forbes, but every time they
administer the Sacraments a new. they [?] doe [?] not stand to
one of their owne. /

3. Some vse another English fomie putt out at Midle-
borough. 1586. This M"" Goodyer saith he vseth at Leyden.
and M*" Peters saied to me that was the forme he found in his
consistory. But whether he vse it or no I cannot tell, I beleive
he goes the Forbesian way.

4. Some vse our English forme in the sacraments but
mangle them Leaving out and putting in whole sentences

M' Pagetts 20 Proposicions to M' [Thomas] Hooker
with his answere thereto :»*'/''

Quest: 1 Whither it be lawfull for any to resort vnto the
Publique Meetings of the Brownists, and to Com-

' Add. MS. 6394 (Bos well Papers, Vol. i.), fol. 168.
« Add. MS. 6.394 (Boswell Papers, Vol. I.), fol. 67-72. Only a small
portion of the contents of this document is here given.

Early English Churches on the Continent 275

municate with them in the WORD of God.//

Answ: To seperate from the faithfull Assemblies, and

Churches in England, as noe Churches is an error
in Judgment, and sinne in practize, held and
mayntained by the Brownists, & therefore to
Comunicate with them, either in this their opinion
or practize, is sinnefull & vtterly vnlawfull, but for
a Christian both their opinion, & practize, to heare
occasionally amongst them, & so to Comunicate
with them in that part of Gods worde (wAi'ch I
conceaue to be the meaning of the first Quaere) is
not so farre, as I yet see simply vnlawfull, but may
prove occasionally ofifensiue, if either by goeing, wee
should encourage them to goe on, in their Course of
seperation, or els by our vnwise expressions, might
serue to weaken ours, to like of it our selves, and so
to drawe them to a farther approbation of that way,
then was before meet wherevpon it followes, if wee
giue these occasions of offence, wee sinne if wee do
not abstaine [?], but if these occasions of offence may
be remoued, by our Constant renouncing of their
Course of the one side, and by our free and open
profession of our intents, on the other side. That
wee goe only to heare some sauorie point opened,
and to benefitt by the guifts of some able Minister,
that may come amongst them, if I say the giving
of any lust offence by these, or any other meancs,
may be avoided, I conceive then it is not a sinne to
heare them occasionally, and that some men may
prevent such occasions, it is to mee, it is to me [sic]
a very disputable question not hauing euer studied
this point before. /

Quaers 2 Whether those Members of the Church [of England]
wA.ich somtymes heare them, & stif^y maintaine
a Liber tie therein are to be tollerated or rather
censured. // censured


276 Early English Dissenters

Respo: For the practise of members according to the former
Caution & interpretation, being taken vp & mayn-
tayned though stiffly, which Argumente, because it
is but questionable and disputable before they be
fully convicted of their sinne, they ought to be
tollerated rather than censured : And this modera-
ci'on in things which are disputable, and not
absolutely necessary to salvation

Qu: 3 Whether such of the Brownists as haue not re-

nounced their Seperation from the Church of
England, Nor yett allow Comunion with the
Publiqwe estate thereof may lawfully be receiued
for members of our Church // Negatur.

Resp: The not renouncing seperacion from the faithfull
assemblies in England and the not allowance of
Comunion with the Publiqwe state of the Church of
Englartc^ This meer opinion can in no wise make
a man vnfitt to be receaved a member of this
Congregation, vnlesse wee will say that such a man
(being in his iudgment & life otherwise altogether
vnblameable) in Judicious Charitie is not a visible
Christian, which is a more ridged Censure then
the wisest of the seperation would giue waie vnto,
in a proportionable kinde, and I suppose a pious
hart dare affirme,

English Preachers in the Netherlands [in 1633] ^
Of y® Regiments.

e Lord Vere. M'' Goffe.

c [?] Gen : Morgan. M' Batchelour.

e Col. Paginham. M"". Day.

e Col. Herbert. M"" Sclaer.

Of y® Merchants.
c M' Forbes, and his
c Assistant M' Hooker.

1 Add. MS. 6394 (Boswell Papers, Vol. i.), fol. 175. In the original
the list of names is given in three columns.

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[Of y®] Garrisons.

Vtrecht. M' Fortree.

Gorichora. M'^ Batchelour. idem.

Tergoo. M"" Day. idem,
e Gittredenberge. M"" Firsby.

Busch. M"" Gribbins.
c Husden. M"" Widdowes.
c Bergen. M"" Paine.

Dort. a Dutchman wAich
speakes English.
c Nimmegen M*" Sibbald. Scotchm.

Wesell. a Dutchman vthich.
speakes English.

Tiel. M-" Sclaer. idem.

Doesborough. M' Parsons.

[Of y«] Towns.
Amsterdam. M*" lohn Pagett.
c Rotterdam. M"" Peters.
Flushing. M' Roe.
Middleborough. M"" Drake ^
Leyden. M" Goodyer.
Hage. M' Balmeford.

The towne Ministers haue meanes allowed them by the States,
of the Garrisons none haue any Meanes from the States but
only Vtrecht. 500^: per annM??i and Bergen. 200*: per annu7/i
the rest are payd by the Captaines, wAich is about 2. gulders
a weeke, as long as they bee in the Garrisons, So that when
they are in the field they haue nothing but only of those
Companies w/w'ch are left at home.

Of all those there belong to y® English Classis M' Forbes.
M' Peters. M' Balmeford. M"" Batchelour. M'' Paine. M"" Widdowes.
M"^ Sibbald. this last came within this yeare (and though they
haue had noe classicall meeting) yet must be named here
because hee was placed by the authority of y^ classis at
Nimmegen, and doth reckon himselfe of that classis.

1 Could this by any chance have been Thomas Drakes who has already
been mentioned elsewhere ?

278 Early EiKfliHh Dissenters

Those y' refuse to be of y'' English Classis, some are of
the Dutch, and some are of none. M' Pagett. M'' Fortree,
M"" Gribbins are of y* Dutch, (what M' Roe and M' Drake doe
is not knowne, but they refuse to be of y® English classis.)
M"" Goodyer desired to bee of y* Leyden classis, but they will
not admitt him, And y* reason giuen is because they doe
obserue by a longe and sharpe controuei*sy w/iich hath been
betwixt him & his parishioners hee is of a rigidpr Discipline,
then y* Dutch Discipline is.

M' Gribbins was commended by y® Lord Vere to y^ Busch,
being a Palatinate man that wanted meanes, & hauing studied
well in England, y'^ officers report nothing but well of him. /
M'' Fortree was chosen by y^ officers, and is well approued of
by them, for a quiet man.

M"" Paine was called from Schonehouen by y® Euglishe classis
to Bergen op Zone, after y* by their Authority, they had
depriued one M" Clarke the Scotch regiment Preacher to y®
Earle of Bucklough.

M' Parsons is the regiment preacher to Coll : Belford, (it is
likely hee is of noe Classis at all) M' Sibbald : to Coll: Broge.

[A letter of Stephen GoflFe's to Sir William Boswell, dated
" Leyden. Feb. '28 stil. no." (1634/3 ?)]^

Worthy Sir.

I hope you have receaved a XeiivQ from Amsterdam
on Sunday w''^ did acquaint you with the comming of m""
Damport [Davenport] vnto you, & the cause of it. And by
this time m"^ Dampor< appearing to you hath shewed the truth
of it. Since that m' Pagett hath given me another relacton
w*^** with his most humble service he desired me to make
knowne vnto yowr selfe : vnto whom he desires to approve him
selfe, and give account of his actions. After that in many
discourses with m"" Damport He had found his difference from
him in the poynt of Baptisme, w*^** is not only a matter of

' Ad<l. MS. 6.394 (Boswell Papers, Vol. i.), fol. 192 recto and

Early English Churches on the Continent 279

judgeme?2t but practice both ministers joyning in baptizing
every child according to the Dutch custome ((1) one reading
the forme, & explicacion of it. and the other sprinkling the
water with those words In the name &c.) He told him that it
was necessary for him to admitt all the infants w^** were
brought, as he & the Dutch alwaies vse to do, or els they could
not be fitt colleges in that pastorall charge. Herevpon Damport
& his frends made the first cry, complained to the Dutch
ministers, obtained of two of them, to come vnto m"" Pagett, to
reprehend him for his difficulty in admitting so reverend [?]
a College &c. Those two ( . . one Roulandus. & Goldorpius)
comming to m'" Pagett & hearing [?] the case were presently
made of his mind, & concluded that a more sollemne meeting
should be had, & Damport perswaded to a better sense, or els
no admission. Wherefore shortly after 5 of the Dutch ministers
came vnto m' Pagetts house, and there expected m"" Damport
who could not be brought to come vnto them, notwithstanding
that they proceeded to their consultaa'on, Avrought in Lattine
the condicions they would require of Damport & Pagett, &
subscribed them with their 5 names. These condicions were on
Pagetts part That if the Parent or frends of the infant did
signifie vnto him before hand that they would have a child
baptised, That then m"" Pagett should send them to Damport,
to be examined, as he desired. On Damports part That if the
Parent or frends being desired to go to him should not go. or
comming should be so ignorant as not to be able to give account
of their faith, or if they should suddainely bring the child into
the church without forewarning that he should not venture to
refuse to baptize it. Damport having this paper of condicions
brought to him gave such an answere, as m' Pagett vnderstood
he meant to rest satisfied in them. Wherevpon he preached
before m"" Pagett & they were to proceed to his Calling. After
sermon m" Pagett desired him to speake plainely whether he
would rest in those condicions, & resolve to performe them.
His answer was, That in the Consistory one of the Elders
should expresse his mind; but m' Page^i pressing him to
expresse his owne mind him selfe, He seemed to take the
Condicions vpon w''*' they in the Consistory concluded on him

280 Early EnyU^h Dissenters

for their pastor, made an Instrument of his Election, w'*""" yet
m' Pagett would have to include in it The Condicions about
baptisme. w^** was done. Now their worke was to obtaine the
consent of the magistrates, & the Classis. The magistrates for
a good while were hard to be entreated, alleadging his offending
owr king, his deserting of his former charge. His prejvching since
he Cixme hither «Src but at last were overcome by the importunity
of the merchants that pressed for him. The Classis made no
difficulty supposing the acceptance of those Condicions. So
that now nothing was remaining but Damports receaving their
call. \f^^ when He saw with the Condicions about baptisme
mencioned in it, he desired to be excused, that he could not
with a good conscience performe them. So all that busines
was vndone againe. And thus it now stands. Since that his
clients have beene very malicious against m' Pagett, most
grievously reviling him, & exasperating both him & those frends
\i^^ he hath against a 2*^ election w*''* is thought willbe very
hardly obtained, the Dutch ministers being offended at this
precise lesuitissme equivocating him selfe in to their election.
Yesterday was their Classis day, in w*^** their purpose was (as
m"" Pagett told me) to speake of Damports dealing. And that
He might avoyde the discoursing with them or any of them he
would absent him selfe. either this is the cause of his jomey, or
it is believed so, because yet no Dutch minister could come to
speake with Damport since his comming though they have
sought it many times, severally & alltogether, as when he was
chosen the whole Classis desired his company to dinner, but
non est inventus, nor ever since could be. wherin we are litle
beholding to him, for they sticke not to say His Latine tong is
the cause of it. /

Leyden. Feb. 28 stil. no. [1634/3?]
Tewsday. morn. /

Your humblest Servant

Stephen Goffe. /

Early English Churches on the Continent 281

[A letter of Stephen Goffe's to Sir William Boswell, dated
"Leyden March .9" (1634/3?).]^

Worthy Sir.

Since the receiving of yoMrs-March-6. from Brill,
for wAtch I give you many thankes, M' Paget hath sent his
kinsman to me, to relate what was done in the Classis last
weeke. The ordinary busines being dispatched in their mon-
dayes meeting they resolved of purpose to come together the
next day to heare m*^ Damports [Davenports] matter. On one
side m' Paget declared that after the consent of the magistrates
by order from the classis he with the Elders had offered
m' jyamport his Call in writing, but that He refused it his
conscience not suffering him to vndertake those condicions w*
yet were thought necessary by 5 of themselves, and were in
appearance accepted by him selfe. On the other side were
two of the Elders of the Church deputed & instructed by
m"" Damport ; who indeed confessed the refusall, & the tendernes
of his conscience, but in the name of the most & cheifest of the
congregation desired the Classis that they might have him
established amongst them, not Pastor but Assistant in preaching,
alleadging the excellency of his guifts, & his discreet & peaceable
carriage. / Vpon the notice of his refusall some of the Dutch
ministers who (by the merchants m"" Damports frends) were
brought to be sticklers for him professed themselves much
wronged, that m" Damport had putt them vpon the displeasure
of the magistrates, for that the magistrates did alledge, as his
deserting England, so his differing fro7?i the Belgicke constitu-
tions w*^*" they had answered vnto them, & warranted vpon
their creditts that he would be a fitt and conformable man.
But now in his plaine flying off, & that for such easy condicions,
he did lay them open to shame to the magistrates, who were
difficulte before, but now would be possessed ; that many other
differences were hidd in his brest besids those. / To that matter
of being lecturer or assistant in preaching only, that was a

» Add. MS. 6394 (Boswell Papers, Vol. i.), fol. 194 recto— 195 recto.
This letter I take to be dated according to New Style, as was often the case
in the Netherlands at this period.

282 Early English Dissenters

species of creatures w''* was not in their church, besids that
therein they should exceedingly wrong m' Page^ whose age
required a College in all the burthens of the church, w** were
as many & more heavy in the businesses of the Consistory for
government, and in administering the sacraments, then [?] in
the pulpitt for preaching. And that vnlesse he were legittimate
Pastor he could have no place in the consistory. &c. In fine
There conclusion was that 3 Dutch ministers should be deputed
to go vnto him in the name of the Classis to expresse the just
cause they have to be offended at his refusall, they having
through so many objections made his way for him. And to
take his reasons why he will not accept of those condicions
concerning baptisme. And that next classis those 3 must
report w/tat his reasons be that so they may sett a finall con-
clusion to this matter

Leyden. March .9./. [1634/3 (?)]

Your most humble &
thankfull Servant

Stephen Goffe. /

[A Letter of John Davenport's to " Sir William Boswell
Knight", dated "Amsterdam March 18. 1634(/3 ?) ".]'

Honorable Sir,

When I first Came into these parts, my purpose
was to stay he[re] but 3 or 4 moneths, and, that time being
expired, to returne for England my nati[ue] Countrey, had not
the sinister & slanderous informacion, whereof I complained
in [my?] last, exasperated the ArchB^. of Cant:[erbury] to
reproachfull inuectiues, and bitter mena[ces ?] against me in
the High Commission, whereby my retume is made much more
difficult, and hazardous then I could suspect, when, in that
letter, I sayd, I am willing to excercise [sic] those gifts which
God hath giuen me &c I vsed that expression not in affectation,
but as fittest to represent my present state, and to intimate
that I am not engaged by any relation of office for Continuance
here, which, being added to what I then wrote, and the

» Add. MS. 6394 (Boswell Papers, Vol. r.), fol. 196.

Early Unglish Churches on the Continent 283

vnseasonablenes of two or three moneths (after my arriuall) for
trauayle, and that I was but once at the Hague, in transitu,
before the last time, when I trauayled thither purposely to
present my selfe and seruice to your Ho:[nour], will make a full
apollogy for my seeming neglect in that particular. The
particulars, wherein I haue changed, are no other then the
same, for which many worthy ministers, and lights eminent for
godlines & learning haue suffered the loss of theyre ministry
and liberty ; some whereof are now in perfect peace, and rest,
others are dispersed in seuerall countreyes, and some yet line
in England as priuate persons, who were and are loyall and
faythfull subiects to theyre soueraigne, and haue witnessed
against hseresyes, and schysme and against all sectaryes, as
Familists, Anabaptists & Brownists, against all which I also
witnes, in this place, wherevnto I had not come, if I could haue
bene secure of a safe and quiett abode in my deare natiue

If that way of questioning should pass vpon all men, which
your wisdom iudgeth meete in this case... I thinck, they that
iudge me will be found, in some particulars, to haue spoken
against the gouernment of England. All that I spake was
concerning the gesture of sitting, vsed in this countrey, in

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