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The Greville Memoirs


By the Late
Clerk of the Council to Those Sovereigns

Edited by
Registrar of the Privy Council


Second Edition


Contents of the Third Volume


Dinner at Greenwich - Monk Lewis - The King's Letter - Lord
Althorp's Finance - Salutes to the Royal Family - Death of Lord
Dover - His Character - Lyndhurst and Brougham on the Local
Courts Bill - Charles Napier captures the Miguelite Fleet - The
Irish Church Bill - The Duke of Wellington and the Bonapartes -
Blount's Preaching - Sir Robert Peel on Political Unions - Mr.
George Villiers appointed to Madrid - Duke of Richmond -
Suspension Clause in Irish Church Bill - Apprenticeship Clause
in West India Bill - State of House of Commons - Lucien and
Joseph Bonaparte - Lord Plunket - Denis Lemarchant - Brougham and
Sugden - Princess Lieven - Anecdotes of the Emperor Nicholas -
Affairs of Portugal - Don Miguel at Strathfieldsaye - Prorogation
of Parliament - Results of the Reform Bill.
Page 1


The Speaker a Knight of the Bath - Lord Wellesley Lord Lieutenant
of Ireland - M. Thiers in England - Prince Esterhazy's Opinion of
the State of England - Queen of Portugal at Windsor - The Duke of
Leuchtenberg - Macaulay and Sydney Smith - Brougham's Anecdotes
of Queen Caroline - Judicial Committee of the Privy Council - Sir
Stratford Canning and M. Dedel - Sydney Smith and the 'Siege of
Saragossa' - Edward Irving - The Unknown Tongues - Tribute to Lord
Eldon - W. J. Fox - Lord Tavistock on the Prospects of his
Party - Moore at the State Paper Office - Russia and England -
Belvoir Castle - The Duke of Wellington at Belvoir - Visit to
Mrs. Arkwright - Sir Thomas Lawrence and the Misses Siddons - A
Murder at Runton - Sandon - Lord and Lady Harrowby - Burghley -
Railroads talked of - Gloomy Tory Prognostications - State of
Spain - Parliament opens - Quarrel of Sheil and Lord Althorp -
Unpopularity of Lord Palmerston - Mrs. Somerville - O'Connell's
Attack on Baron Smith - Lord Althorp's Budget - The Pension
List - Lord Althorp as Leader of the House - Sir R. Peel's
Position in the House - Meeting of Supporters of Government - Mr.
Villiers on the State of Spain - Predicament of Horne, the
Page 30


Spain - Russia and Turkey - Sir R. Peel's Pictures - Peel and
Stanley - Lord Brougham's Judicial Changes - Lord Brougham's
Defence - Admission of Dissenters to the Universities - Lord
Denman's Peerage - Growing Ascendancy of Peel - An Apology for
Lord Brougham - Personal Reflections - Crime in Dorsetshire -
Spain and Portugal - Procession of the Trades' Unions - Lady
Hertford's Funeral - Petition of the London University for a
Charter - Repeal of the Union - Excitement of the King - Brougham
and Eldon at the Privy Council - Duke of Wellington's Aversion
to the Whigs - Lord Brougham and Lord Wynford - Fête at
Petworth - Lord Brougham's Conduct on the Pluralities Bill -
Crisis in the Cabinet - Prince Lieven recalled - Stanley, Graham,
and the Duke of Richmond resign on the Irish Church Bill -
History of the Crisis - Ward's Motion defeated by moving the
previous Question - Affairs of Portugal - Effects of the late
Change - Oxford Commemoration - Peel's Declaration - Festival in
Westminster Abbey - Don Carlos on his way to Spain - Stanley's
'Thimble-rig' Speech - Resignation of Lord Grey - Mr. Greville's
account of the Causes of his Retirement - The Government
reconstituted by Lord Melbourne - Lord Duncannon Secretary of
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Taylor's 'Philip Van Artevelde' - Goodwood - Earl Bathurst's
Death - Death of Mrs. Arbuthnot - Overtures to O'Connell - Irish
Tithe Bill - Theodore Hook's Improvisation - Lord Westmeath's
Case in the Privy Council - First Council of Lord Melbourne's
Government and Prorogation - Brougham's Vagaries - Lord Durham's
Exclusion - The Edinburgh Dinner - Windsor and Meiningen - Spencer
Perceval - Lord Grey's Retirement - The Westmeath Case again - The
Queen's Return - Melbourne and Tom Young - Holland House -
Reflections - Conversation on the Poets - Miscellaneous Chat -
Lord Melbourne's Literary Attainments - Lord Holland's Anecdotes
of Great Orators - Execution of Charles I. - Lord Melbourne's
Opinion of Henry VIII. - The 'Times' attacks Lord Brougham - His
Tour in Scotland - His Unpopularity - Cowper's Secret - Canning on
Reform - Lord Melbourne on Palmerston and Brougham - Canning and
Brougham in 1827 - Senior - Lord Melbourne and the Benthamites -
His Theology - Spanish Eloquence - The Harley Papers - The Turf -
Death of Lord Spencer - The Westmeath Case heard - Law
Appointments - Bickersteth - Louis Philippe's Position.
Page 114


Fall of Lord Melbourne's Government - History and Causes of this
Event - An Intrigue - Effect of the _Coup_ at Holland House - The
Change of Government - The two Camps - The King's Address to the
New Ministers - The Duke's Account of the Transaction - And Lord
Lyndhurst's - Difficult Position of the Tories - Their Policy -
The Duke in all the Offices - Negotiation with Mr. Barnes - Power
of the 'Times' - Another Address of the King - Brougham offers to
be Lord Chief Baron - Mr. Barnes dines with Lord Lyndhurst - Whig
View of the Recent Change - Liberal Views of the Tory
Ministers - The King resolved to support them - Another Account
of the Interview between the King and Lord Melbourne - Lord
Stanley's Position - Sydney Smith's Preaching at St. Paul's -
Lord Duncannon and Lord Melbourne - Relations of the four
Seceders to Peel - Young Disraeli - Lord Melbourne's Speeches at
Derby - Lord John Russell's Speech at Totness - The Duke of
Wellington's Inconsistencies and Conduct.
Page 143


Sir R. Peel arrives - The First Council - The King's Address - Lord
Stanley and Sir J. Graham decline to join the Government - Lord
Wharncliffe and Sir E. Knatchbull join - The Ministers sworn
in - Peel's Address to his Constituents - Dinner at the Mansion
House - Offer to Lord Roden - Prospects of the Election -
Stanley's Want of Influence - Pozzo di Borgo's Views - Russia and
England - Nomination of Lord Londonderry to St. Petersburg -
Parliament dissolved - State of the Constituencies - A
Governor-General for India - Sebastiani and St. Aulaire - Anecdote
of Princess Metternich - The City Elections - Lord Lyndhurst's View
of the Government - Violence of the Opposition - Close Contest at
Rochester - Sydney Herbert - Sir John Hobhouse's Views -
Anecdotes - County Elections - The Queen supposed to be with
Child - Church Reform - Dinner of Ministers - Story of La
Roncière - The King's Crotchets.
Page 174


The Speakership - Temporary Houses of Parliament - Church Reform -
Dissenters' Marriage Bill - Peel's False Position - Burke -
Palmerston's Talents as a Man of Business and Unpopularity -
Sympathy of Continental Courts with the Tories - Abercromby
elected Speaker - Defeat of the Government - Tactics of the
Opposition - The Speaker does not dine with Peel - Meeting of
Stanley's Friends - Debate on the Address - Lord John Russell
leads the Opposition - The Stanley Party - Second Defeat of the
Government - Peel's Ability - The Lichfield House Meeting - Debate
on Lord Londonderry's Appointment - His Speech in the Lords and
Resignation - Sir E. Sugden resigns the Great Seal of Ireland -
Lady Canterbury - Brougham in the House of Lords - Peel's
Readiness and Courage - Lord Canterbury and Stratford Canning
proposed for Canada - Approaching Fall of the Peel Government -
Meetings of the Opposition - Further Defeat - Sir Robert Peel's
own View of the State of Affairs - He resigns.
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Lord Grey and Sir James Graham express Conservative Views -
Opinions of Lord Stanley - Lord Grey sees the King, but is not
asked to resume Office - Lord Melbourne's Second
Administration - His Moderation - A Difficulty - Spring Rice - A
Joyless Victory - Exclusion of Brougham - The New Cabinet - Lord
John Russell defeated in Devonshire - Lord Alvanley and
O'Connell - Duel with Morgan O'Connell - Lord Wellesley resigns
the Lord Stewardship - The Eliot Convention - Swift _v._ Kelly -
The Kembles - London University Charter discussed at the Privy
Council - Corporation Reform - Formation of the Conservative
Party - The King's Habits - Secretaryship of Jamaica - Lord
Melbourne's Tithe Bill - The Pope rejects the Recommendation of
the British Government - Relations with Rome - Carlists and
Christinos in Spain - Walcheren - The King's Address to Sir
Charles Grey - Stanley and Graham cross the House - Failure of
Stanley's Tactics - Alava and the Duke of Cumberland - A Sinecure
Placeman - Lord Glenelg and the King - Concert at Stafford
House - The King's Aversion to his Ministers and to the
Speaker - Decision on the Secretaryship of Jamaica - Archbishop
Whateley - Irish Church Bill - Payment of Catholic Clergy - Peel
and Lord John Russell - Factious Conduct of Tory Peers - The
King's Violence - Debate on the Corporation Bill.
Page 248


Resistance of the Lords - Duke of Richmond - Happiness - Struggle
between Lords and Commons - Peel keeps aloof - Inconsistency of
the Whigs on the Irish Church Bill - Violent Language in the
Lords - Lord John Russell and Peel pass the Corporation Bill -
Dissolution of the Tory Party foreseen - Meeting of Peers to
consider the Amendments - King's Speech in Council on the
Militia - Lord Howick's Bitterness against the Lords - Lord
Lyndhurst's Opinion of the Corporation Bill - The King's
Language on the Regency - Talleyrand's View of the English
Alliance - Comparison of Burke and Mackintosh - The St. Leger -
Visit of Princess Victoria to Burghley - O'Connell's Progress
through Scotland - Mackintosh's Life.
Page 290


Emperor Nicholas's Speech at Warsaw - His Respect for Opinion in
England - Burdett proposes the Expulsion of O'Connell from
Brooks's - Club Law - George Villiers at Madrid - Lord Segrave
Lord-Lieutenant of Gloucestershire - Dispute between France and
America - Allen's Account of Mackintosh and Melbourne -
Prolongation of a Patent - Should Dr. Arnold be made a Bishop? -
Frederic Elliot - O'Connell's mischievous Influence - Bretby -
Chesterfield MSS. - The Portfolio - Lord Cottenham and Lord
Langdale - Opening of Parliament - The Judicial Committee -
Poulett Thomson at the Board of Trade - Mr. Perceval's
Interviews with the Ministers - Prospects of the Tories - Lord
Stanley's Relations to them - Holland House Anecdotes -
Mischievous Effects of the Division on his Address - The Youth
of Macaulay - Brougham and Macaulay - Lord William Bentinck -
Review of Sir R. Peel's Conduct - Dr. Hampden's Appointment - The
Orange Lodges.
Page 319


Moore and O'Connell - Defeat of the Opposition - The Carlow
Election - Lord Alvanley's Speech to the Tory Peers - Norton _v._
Lord Melbourne - Catastrophe after Epsom - Mendizabal and Queen
Christina - Lord John Russell's Moderation in the Ecclesiastical
Commission - Theatricals at Bridgewater House - Irish Church -
Ministerial Difficulties - Deplorable State of Spain - What was
thought of Lord Palmerston in 1836 - Weakness of Government -
Lord Lyndhurst's Summary of the Session - Balance of Parties -
Lady Augusta Kennedy's Marriage - King's Speech to Princess
Victoria - Revolution of La Granja - Rudeness of the King to
Ministers - Irritation of the King at the Duchess of Kent - Scene
at Windsor on the King's Birthday - Prince Esterhazy's View of
the Affairs of Europe - Emperor Nicholas at Vienna - A Crisis in
Trade - State of the Court at Vienna - Duc de Reichstadt.
Page 346


Crisis in the City - The Chancellor of the Exchequer - A Journey to
Paris - Lord Lyndhurst in Paris - Princess Lieven - Parties in
France - Berryer - The Strasburg Conspirators - Rotten State of
France - Presentation at the Tuileries - Ball at the Tuileries -
Bal Musard - Lord Granville - The Due de Broglie - Position of the
Duc d'Orleans - Return to England - Conservative Reaction -
Sheil's Tirade against Lord Lyndhurst - Lyndhurst as a Tory
Leader - Angry Debate on Church Rates - The Government on the
Brink of Resignation - Sir R. Peel's Prospects - The King and
Lord Aylmer - Death of Mrs. Fitzherbert - Ministerial
Compromise - Westminster Election - Majority of the Princess
Victoria - The King's Illness - The King's Letter to the
Princess - Preparations for the Council - Sir E. Peel on the
Prospects of the New Reign - Prayers ordered for the King's
Recovery - Affairs of Lord Ponsonby - Death of King William IV. -
First Council of Queen Victoria - The Queen proclaimed -
Character of William IV.
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of the


Dinner at Greenwich - Monk Lewis - The King's Letter - Lord
Althorp's Finance - Salutes to the Royal Family - Death of Lord
Dover - His Character - Lyndhurst and Brougham on the Local
Courts Bill - Charles Napier captures the Miguelite Fleet - The
Irish Church Bill - The Duke of Wellington and the Bonapartes -
Blount's preaching - Sir Robert Peel on Political Unions - Mr.
George Villiers appointed to Madrid - Duke of Richmond -
Suspension Clause in Irish Church Bill - Apprenticeship Clause
in West India Bill - State of House of Commons - Lucien and
Joseph Bonaparte - Lord Plunket - Denis Lemarchant - Brougham and
Sugden - Princess Lieven - Anecdotes of the Emperor Nicholas -
Affairs of Portugal - Don Miguel at Strathfieldsaye - Prorogation
of Parliament - Results of the Reform Bill.

June 29th, 1833 {p.001}

I am going, if not too lazy, to note down the everyday nothings
of my life, and see what it looks like.

We dined yesterday at Greenwich, the dinner given by Sefton, who
took the whole party in his omnibus, and his great open carriage;
Talleyrand, Madame de Dino, Standish, Neumann, and the Molyneux
family; dined in a room called 'the Apollo' at the Crown and
Sceptre. I thought we should never get Talleyrand up two narrow
perpendicular staircases, but he sidles and wriggles himself
somehow into every place he pleases. A capital dinner, tolerably
pleasant, and a divine evening. Went afterwards to the 'Travellers,'
and played at whist, and read the new edition of 'Horace Walpole's
Letters to Sir Horace Mann.' There is something I don't like in
his style; his letters don't amuse me so much as they ought to do.

A letter this morning from Sir Henry Lushington about Monk Lewis.
He is rather averse to a biographical sketch, because he thinks a
true account of his life and character would not do him credit,
and adds a sketch of the latter, which is not flattering. Lord
Melbourne told me the other day a queer trait of Lewis. He had a
long-standing quarrel with Lushington. Having occasion to go to
Naples, he wrote beforehand to him, to say that their quarrel had
better be _suspended_, and he went and lived with him and his
sister (Lady L.) in perfect cordiality during his stay. When he
departed he wrote to Lushington to say that now they should
resume their quarrel, and put matters in the 'status quo ante
pacem,' and accordingly he did resume it, with rather more
_acharnement_ than before.

Charles Wood came into my room yesterday, and talked of the King's
letter, said he understood the Archbishop had imparted it to the
seven Bishops who had voted, that nothing would come of it, for it
was a private letter which nobody had a right to take up. I see
the Government are not displeased at such an evidence of the
King's goodwill. The King and Taylor both love letter-writing, and
both are voluminously inclined. Wood told me that last year Lord
Grey got one letter from them (for Taylor writes and the King
approves) of seven sheets; what a mass of silly verbiage there
must have been to wade through.[1]

[1] [This is not just. The published correspondence of King
William IV. and Earl Grey proves that the King's
letters were written by Sir Herbert Taylor with the
greatest ability.]

July 3rd, 1833 {p.002}

Nothing to put down these last two days, unless I go back to my
old practice of recording what I read, and which I rather think I
left off because I read nothing, and had nothing to put down; but
in the last two days I have read a little of Cicero's 'Second
Philippic,' Voltaire's 'Siècle de Louis XIV.,' Coleridge's
'Journey to the West Indies;' bought some books, went to the opera
to hear Bellini's 'Norma,' and thought it heavy, Pasta's voice not
what it was. Everybody talking yesterday of Althorp's exhibition
in the House of Commons the night before (for particulars of which
see newspapers and Parliamentary debates). It is too ludicrous,
too melancholy, to think of the finances of this country being
_managed_ by such a man: what will not people endure? What a
strange medley politics produce: a wretched clerk in an office who
makes some unimportant blunder, some clerical error, or who
exhibits signs of incapacity for work, which it does not much
signify whether it be well or ill done, is got rid of, and here
this man, this good-natured, popular, liked-and-laughed-at good
fellow, more of a grazier than a statesman, blurts out his utter
ignorance before a Reformed Parliament, and people lift up their
eyes, shrug their shoulders, and laugh and chuckle, but still on
he goes.

July 4th, 1833 {p.003}


At Court yesterday, and Council for a foolish business. The King
has been (not unnaturally) disgusted at the Duchess of Kent's
progresses with her daughter through the kingdom, and amongst the
rest with her sailings at the Isle of Wight, and the continual
popping in the shape of salutes to Her Royal Highness. He did not
choose that this latter practice should go on, and he signified
his pleasure to Sir James Graham and Lord Hill, for salutes are
matter of general order, both to army and navy. They (and Lord
Grey) thought it better to make no order on the subject, and they
opened a negotiation with the Duchess of Kent, to induce her of
her own accord to waive the salutes, and when she went to the
Isle of Wight to send word that as she was sailing about for her
amusement she had rather they did not salute her whenever she
appeared. The negotiation failed, for the Duchess insisted upon
her right to be saluted, and would not give it up. Kemp told me
he had heard that Conroy (who is a ridiculous fellow, a compound
of 'Great Hussy' and the Chamberlain of the Princess of
Navarre[2]) had said, 'that as Her Royal Highness's _confidential
adviser_, he could not recommend her to give way on this point.'
As she declined to accede to the proposals, nothing remained but
to alter the regulations, and accordingly yesterday, by an Order
in Council, the King changed them, and from this time the Royal
Standard is only to be saluted when the King or the Queen is on

[2] See Sir C. Hanbury Williams' Poems.

Friday, July 12th, 1833 {p.004}


Went to Newmarket on Sunday, came back yesterday, got back at
half-past nine, went to Crockford's, and heard on the steps of the
house that poor Dover had died that morning. The accounts I had
received at Newmarket confirmed my previous impression that there
was no hope; and, indeed, the sanguine expectations of his family
are only to be accounted for by that disposition in the human mind
to look at the most favourable side, and to cling with pertinacity
to hope when reason bids us despair. There has seldom been
destroyed a fairer scene of happiness and domestic prosperity than
by this event. He dies in the flower of his age, surrounded with
all the elements of happiness, and with no drawback but that of
weak health, which until within the last few months was not
sufficiently important to counterbalance the good, and only
amounted to feebleness and delicacy of constitution; and it is the
breaking up of a house replete with social enjoyment, six or seven
children deprived of their father, and a young wife and his old
father overwhelmed with a grief which the former may, but the
latter never can get over, for to him time sufficient cannot in
the course of nature be allotted. Few men could be more generally
regretted than Lord Dover will be by an immense circle of
connections and friends for his really amiable and endearing
qualities, by the world at large for the serious loss which
society sustains, and the disappointment of the expectations of
what he one day might have been. He occupied as large a space in
society as his talents (which were by no means first-rate)
permitted; but he was clever, lively, agreeable, good-tempered,
good-natured, hospitable, liberal and rich, a zealous friend, an
eager political partisan, full of activity and vivacity, enjoying
life, and anxious that the circle of his enjoyment should be
widely extended. George Agar Ellis was the only son of Lord
Clifden, and obtained early the reputation of being a prodigy of
youthful talent and information. He was quick, lively, and had a
very retentive memory, and having entered the world with this
reputation, and his great expectations besides, he speedily became
one of the most conspicuous youths of the day. Having imbibed a
great admiration for Lord Orford (Horace Walpole), he evinced a

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