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attend for the purpose of identification, and I duly carried out my in-
structions.

Re-examined Certain formalities have to be gone through before you
can transfer stock. All those formalities were duly carried out in this
case. What had happened or why it was transferred I do not know.

ARTHUR ASTLE, examined by the ATTORNEY-GENERAL I am a member
of the Stock Exchange and manager of the firm of Capel-Cure & Terry,
who carry on business at Tokenhouse Buildings and on the Stock Ex-
change. The male prisoner was introduced to me on 25th January, 1911.
He gave me instructions to sell 1600 India 3 per cent, stock, which I
did, realising 1519 16s. We paid him a cheque for that amount. I
identify exhibit 10 as that cheque. It is a crossed cheque on the London
County and Westminster Bank, dated 25th January, 1911, "Pay F. H.
Seddon, Esq., or order" "bearer" is scratched out "1519 16s."
It is signed by " Capel-Cure & Terry, Arthur Astle," and it is endorsed
" F. H. Seddon."

Cross-examined by Mr. MARSHALL HALL Mr. Seddon was introduced
to us. I believe that my firm occupies a very high position on the Stock
Exchange. The word "order" on the cheque was unnecessary, as the
striking out of "bearer" would have had the same effect. It is an
endorsed cheque to F. H. Seddon, and it has been through a bank.
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Arthur Douglas Laing

ARTHUR DOUGLAS LAING, examined by Mr. TRAVBRS HUMPHREYS
I am a clerk with the London County and Westminster Bank, Limited,
Lothbury. Messrs. Capel-Cure & Terry have an account at that bank.
(Shown exhibit 10.) That is a cheque for 1519 16s. drawn upon our
bank. That was paid in to our bank on the same day, 25th January,
by the opening of a deposit account in the name of Frederick Henry
Seddon. The first withdrawal from that account was on 1st February,
when 119 16s. was withdrawn in cash. On 6th March, 1911, the re-
mainder of the money was drawn out, and the account closed, the amount
drawn out being 1403 10s. 2d., which included the interest that had
accrued. That money was drawn out in cash, and the account was then
closed.

Cross-examined by Mr. MARSHALL HALL I cannot say that I know
that on the completion of a purchase of property it is usual to pay in
notes instead of cheques. The payment out was in the shape of one
1000 note, two hundreds, three fifties, three tens, and three fives, the
numbers of all of which were entered in our waste book.

EDWIN RUSSELL, examined by Mr. TRAVERS HUMPHREYS I am a
solicitor and a member of the firm of Russell <fe Sons, 59 Coleman Street.
I never saw the male defendant until I saw him at the Police Court.
(Shown exhibit 11.) That is an assignment of certain property which
was prepared in my office by our managing clerk, Mr. Keble, who is now
dead. In the transaction mentioned in that document my firm acted solely
on behalf of Mr. Seddon. It is an assignment, dated llth January, 1911,
between Eliza Mary Barrow, of 63 Tollington Park, spinster, and Frederick
Henry Seddon, of the same address, insurance agent, and it recites a lease
of certain property of 27th June, 1853, for seventy-six and a quarter
years, expiring in 1929. It shows that property became vested in Eliza
Jane Barrow, and it further recites that Eliza Jane Barrow by her will
bequeathed all that estate to Eliza Mary Barrow. Then, whereas Eliza
Jane Barrow died, and whereas Eliza Mary Barrow has agreed with
Frederick Henry Seddon to assign to him all the property mentioned in
that original lease for the residue of the terms in consideration of the
payment by or on the part of the said Frederick Henry Seddon to the
said Eliza Mary Barrow of an annuity of 52 secured to the said Eliza
Mary Barrow during her life, secured on the rents and profits of the
premises, Eliza Mary Barrow assigns to Frederick Henry Seddon the
premises comprised in the lease being the Buck's Head public-house and
No. 1 Buck Street, and Seddon covenants to pay the annuity or yearly
sum of 52, payable by equal payments of 4 every lunar month, and
the annuity is to be a charge on the premises, and Eliza Mary Barrow is
empowered by distress to recover that annuity if it is in arrear for forty
days. It is signed " Eliza Mary Barrow," and her signature is witnessed
by Henry W. D. Knight, solicitor. As soon as we were satisfied that the
title to the property was in order, we required Miss Barrow to be
represented by a separate solicitor. The solicitor introduced for that
purpose was Mr. Knight. It was on 6th January, 1911, that Mr. Knight
was brought into the matter after the assignment had been prepared.
We received our costs from the male prisoner, and we also received from

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him by a separate cheque the costs which would have to be paid to Mr.
Knight.

Cross-examined by Mr. MARSHALL HALL It was your late clerk, Mr.
Keble, who insisted upon a separate solicitor appearing for Miss Barrow,
and he introduced Mr. Knight? Our firm insisted.

Mr. Knight was introduced by your firm, he was not nominated by
Mr. Seddon? I think not, but I do not know. Personally, I know very
little of the transaction. Our account was agreed at a certain figure for
which we received a cheque; the amount was 29 8s. Mr. Knight's costs
were fixed at the sum of 3 3s. That was agreed to at an interview
between the parties, and it was paid to us by a further cheque for 4 13s.,
which included 30s. for something else. We paid Mr. Knight's costs out
of that cheque. Mr. Keble, our managing clerk, called on 6th January
upon Miss Barrow at Tollington Park, and he called again on llth January.
The entry in our account is " Attending, completing purchase and attesting
execution."

Do you know that there were some defects in this title, and they had
to have three statutory declarations? Yes. I should not care to say
that Miss Barrow knew of these defects. I do not think that they were
points that she would appreciate at all; they are rather technical.

Without knowing any of the technicalities, did she know the broad
fact that there were said to be defects in the title? I cannot say, but she
would probably know that the declarations were to be made.

And these are the three statutory declarations? Yes. Our firm
did not have the Buck's Head property valued, but I take it that the
value could easily be calculated from actuarial tables.

Do you know that the present value of the property is 706 ? I have
no knowledge of that. The question of value was no concern of ours.
(Shown letter dated 30th November addressed to Mr. Keble.) That
appears to be in the same handwriting as the other letters from Miss
Barrow. It deals with the information which is desired to be obtained
from Truman, Hanbury & Buxton enabling us to transfer the property to
Seddon. Referring to our bill of costs under date 7th September I see
this item, " Attending Mr. Brangham informing him you had decided to
purchase, and that valuation was only required as a precautionary measure
and giving him particulars."

Then, "Writing him," so that obviously on the face of your bill of
costs there was some correspondence in reference to a valuation. Do you
find that item there? Yes, but I should like to show you this letter of
7th December from the male prisoner, which has some bearing upon that.
(Reads letter.) I should say that is purely upon the question of getting
the fees arranged before Mr. Brangham valued. (The letters were returned
to the witness.) (Shown letter No. 133 addressed to Truman, Hanbury &
Buxton from Miss Barrow, dated 30th November.) That carries out what
Miss Barrow says she is going to do in the letter she wrote to Mr. Keble.

HENRY WILLIAM DENNY KNIGHT, examined by Mr. TRAVERS HUMPHREYS

I am a solicitor practising at 22 Surrey Street, Strand. The late Mr.

Keble was my brother-in-law. On 9th January, 1911, Mr. Keble mentioned

to me the matter of the assignment of the Buck's Head, and on the same

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day I communicated with Miss Barrow by letter. After receiving a reply
from her, I, on her behalf, approved the draft of the assignment of the
Buck's Head and No. 1 Buck Street. I did not in any way advise Miss
Barrow in the matter. I was only to carry out the arrangement that
they had come to. I attended on the completion of the matter at 63
Tollington Park on llth January. Miss Barrow was very deaf. I
asked her to read the material part of the assignment, that is, the
charging of the annuity, and she read it in my presence. I witnessed
her signature to that document. My costs were paid me by Messrs.
Russell & Son through Mr. Keble. Miss Barrow said she was glad of the
assistance, but she would not pay anything.

Cross-examined by Mr. MARSHALL HALL (Shown exhibit 13, being
a letter from witness to Miss Barrow.) What is stated in that letter
is accurate. I was introduced by Mr. Keble, my brother-in-law, not by
Mr. Seddon. Miss Barrow replied by the letter, exhibit 14. I remember
that the draft deed of conveyance sent to me contained the clause charging
the property with the payment of the annuity.

JOHN CHABLES PEPPER, examined by the ATTORNEY- GENERAL I am
chief clerk in the Finsbury and City of London Savings Bank, 18J
Sekforde Street, Clerkenwell. Miss Eliza Mary Barrow had a deposit at
our bank. On referring to our ledger I find that that account was opened
on 17th October, 1887, and it was never closed until the last transaction
on 19th June, 1911, when the whole amount standing to her credit at
the time was withdrawn with interest, 216 9s. 7d. I find that the last
payment in to her account was on 5th October, 1908, and the last
withdrawal before the final one of 19th June, 1911, was on 31st July,
1907. It appears that there was no transaction on the account at all
after that date until the full amount standing to her credit was withdrawn
on 19th June, 1911. I remember the withdrawal of the money on 19th
June, 1911. Miss Barrow came with another lady whom I did not know.
The money was paid over to her all in coin ; only the odd money, 9s. 7d.,
was in silver and coppers, the rest, 216, was in gold. The notice given
the week previous asked for half notes and half gold, but by the time
Miss Barrow came to the bank she had apparently changed her mind,
and she asked for it and had it all in gold. It was not at all unusual at
that time to pay a large sum like that in gold. "We were paying cash
more than usual at that particular time. There was a run on the Birkbeck
Bank. The gold was paid out in two bags containing 100 each, and
the 16 loose.

Cross-examined by Mr. MARSHALL HALL I suppose a great many
people had a fear in consequence of the Birkbeck trouble about that time?
We were not so much bothered with it. We had no run on our bank
at all.

Is it the rule of your bank that no ordinary savings bank account
can exceed 200? That is the Government rule.

But you allow it to exceed it as long as it is only the interest that
takes it over and above 200? That is it interest on 200 only not
in excess.

Therefore, after they have deposited 200 they do not get any interest
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on the excess, there is no compound interest? No compound interest;
it is interest on the 200 only. If anybody wants to deposit any further
money with us they have to open an investment account. Miss Barrow
opened an investment account with our bank by the payment of 10
on 30th September, 1909. There was no further payment into that
account except the money which accrued due for interest. On 7th April,
1911, she drew it out, 10 7s. 9d. The amount of interest on that
amount was 2f per cent. People must have 50 to their credit before
they can open a special investment account, and that account is limited
to 500.

ARTHUR DOUGLAS LAING, recalled, further examined by the ATTORNEY-
GENERAL (Shown exhibit 2.) I saw that box in the afternoon of Friday
last, 1st March. I saw sovereigns placed in that box by the chief clerk
of our bank. They were placed in the top of the box, above the tray,
in two bags. There was nothing under the tray at the time. I saw
500 in two bags placed on the top of the tray in sovereigns.

By Mr. JUSTICE BUCKNILL I think the box was empty when we tried
those experiments.

Examination continued There was still room for another 500 I
should say. In each of the two outer receptacles in the tray were placed
150, one bag in each receptacle. With 150 in each of those receptacles
we could close the lid of the receptacles firmly down. I think a little more
could be placed in each receptacle.

Cross-examined by Mr. MARSHALL HALL The 150 was just shovelled
into the bag from the scale.

Except that possibly the bottom would tumble out you could get
about 1500 to 1600 in that box? I should think so ; it would be rather
heavy. That box is hardly the sort of box that I would choose myself ;
I should not trust to the lock. It is a very ordinary box.

ERNEST GRANT, examined by the ATTORNEY- GENERAL I live at 49
Corrance Road, Brixton. I w r as ten last birthday. I remember Miss
Barrow ; I have known her as long as I can remember. I used to call
her "Chickie." I remember going to live with her.

Mr. MARSHALL HALL As far as the depositions in this case are
concerned, my friend can, of course, lead this witness.

Examination continued I also remember going to Mr. Seddon's
house to live with her in the rooms on the second floor. When we first
went there I slept with her and afterwards I slept in a room by myself,
that room being the little room, not the room that Mr. and Mrs. Hook
had had, but the little room by the side of that. I remember going away
to Southend for a holiday in the year that Miss Barrow died. After I
came back Miss Barrow was taken ill, and she had to stay in bed. I
remember at first when she was ill that I slept in my own bed in the
little room at the back. When she got worse she asked me to sleep in
her bed, and I did EO. I remember the last night that I slept with Miss
Barrow. On that night she kept waking up. She waked me up and I
went downstairs to call Mrs. Seddon, because Miss Barrow asked me to
do so. Mr. and Mrs. Seddon slept on the ground floor. Mr. Seddon came

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upstairs and Mrs. Seddon also came up, and then I got into bed again
with Miss Barrow. Mr. Seddon wanted me to go to my own bed to get
some sleep, and I went to my own bed in the little back room. After
that Miss Barrow called out again, and I went back to her and found Mr.
and Mrs. Seddon in the room with her. I had left them in the room
when I went to my own room to sleep, and Miss Barrow had called me
back again directly I had left. I got into her bed, and Mr. Seddon again
told me to go back to my room, which I did. Miss Barrow called me
back again, and I went back to her room and found Mr. and Mrs. Seddon
there. That occurred several times during the night, Mr. Seddon telling
me to go back to my room and then Miss Barrow calling me back. Later
on in the night Mr. Seddon told me to go back to my own bed, and I
went; Miss Barrow did not call me back, and I never saw her again. I
stayed in my own bed and slept there during the whole of that night.
Miss Barrow was an affectionate and loving woman to me. I remember
the next morning, the morning after this night when I had been sent
backwards and forwards. I was sent by Mr. Seddon to Southend that
day. I went with two of Mr. Seddon's children. It was while I was
staying in Southend, at Mrs. Jeffrey's house, that Mr. Seddon told me
that Miss Barrow was dead. I remember the servant, Mary, in the
house at Mr. Seddon's in London. I know now that her name is Mary
Chater. She never waited on Miss Barrow. Miss Barrow and I had our
meals together in her room upstairs before she was ill. Maggie Seddon
used to cook the things in the kitchen next door to Miss Barrow's room
before she was ill, and after she was ill Mrs. Seddon attended her through-
out. I saw Miss Barrow taking medicine. Mrs. Seddon used to give it
to her; I have never given it to her myself. I only saw her taking
medicine once herself; I do not know exactly when it was, but it was
while she was ill in bed. It was in the day time I think. The medicine
was left by the side of her bed for her so that she could reach out and take
it herself.

Used she to ask for it, or was it given to her by Mrs. Seddon when
she came in? It used to be by the side of the bed, and if she wanted it
she used to get it.

Who is the " she " who used to get it? Miss Barrow.

Have you seen her take her medicine herself more than once? No.

Then what do you mean when you say that when Miss Barrow wanted
her medicine she used to get it? She used to turn over and reach out and
get it.

Reach out and get it from the bottle, or from the glass where it was
poured out? She used to pour it out herself.

Then you have seen her pour it out herself more than once. Is
that what you mean? No, I have seen her pour it out once and take it.

But only once? At other times Mrs. Seddon used to pour it out.

You told us you saw Miss Barrow once reach out and take it herself?
Can you tell us how long that was before the last night? No, I cannot
remember that. I cannot remember seeing any medicine given to her
at all on this night before I went away for the last time from her. I
cannot tell how many times she sent me down for Mrs. Seddon. She
waked me up to send me down for Mrs. Seddon because she felt so ill,

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and I went down and told Mrs. Seddon, and she came up. Mr. Seddon
was there several times when he sent me back to my own room.

Did Miss Barrow tell you what it was that you were to tell Mrs.
Seddon ? No, she only used to tell me to go down to call her.

Mr. MARSHALL HALL I am not objecting to this, because I am going
to ask about some conversations, and they will be admissible in cross-
examination.

Examination continued Did she tell you to tell Mrs. Seddon that
she had pains in her stomach? Yes. I do not know whether that was the
first time I was sent down to fetch Mrs. Seddon or not.

Do you remember when Mrs. Seddon came up whether she made a hot
flannel and put it on Miss Barrow? Yes. I cannot remember whether
that was the first time she came up or not.

Can you remember whether Mr. Seddon was there then? I do not
think he was.

During that night did you see Miss Barrow being sick at all? Yes.
More than once? Yes. She was badly sick.

Was that only during part of the night, or did that continue whilst
you were with her? Only part of the night.

Do you remember her getting out of bed at all and sitting on the
floor during that night? Yes.

Can you remember whether that was before you had been sent down
for Mrs. Seddon or after? After.

Do you remember whether during the time you were with her that
night she got out of bed more than once? No, I do not remember.
Do you remember her saying "I am going"? Yes.
What did she do then? -Sat down on the floor.

Did she seem in great pain then? Yes. She remained on the floor till
Mr. Seddon came up and put her in bed again.

You said "till Mr. Seddon came up." Did Mrs. Seddon come too?
Yes. (Shown exhibit 2.) I remember seeing that box. I used to see it in
Miss Barrow's big black trunk. I have seen Miss Barrow taking money out
of that box, but I never saw inside the box while she was alive. I saw
her put the box on the bed and turn out on to the bed some of what was in
the box. It was gold ; sometimes she used to count it, and sometimes she
used to take one out. I could not tell how much there was. I noticed one
bag inside. I think I saw another one. I have seen Miss Barrow put money
into a bag in the cash box. I have seen her come up from the dining-room
with some pieces of gold. That was the dining-room on the ground floor
to the left when you come in at the front door.

Have you seen how many pieces of gold she brought up from the
dining-room? Yes, three. I cannot tell how many times I saw that, but
it was more than once. She put the three pieces of gold that I saw her
bring up from the dining-room into the cash box. When I went to Southend
for the holiday Miss Barrow took me. It was before she took me to
Southend for the holiday that I last saw her count the money. It was when
I came back from the holiday at Southend that she was taken ill.

Cross-examined by Mr. MARSHALL HALL Mrs. Seddon and Mr. Seddon
were very kind to Miss Barrow, were they not? Yes.

And Miss Barrow was very fond of them both? Yes.

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I think you said you were very much happier at the Seddons than you
were at the Vonderahes? Yes.

They were very kind to you, were they not? Yes.

And after Miss Barrow died you went on living with Mr. Seddon and
his children? Yes.

And you were very happy there? Yes.

They were kind to you? Yes.

And you went to school, did you not? Yes.

Used to go to school every day? Yes.

I want you to try and remember the time when you went to Southend
before Miss Barrow was so ill, not the last time you went, but the time
before that. Miss Barrow and you and Mr. and Mrs. Seddon all went down
to Southend together, did you not? Yes.

Do you know how long you stayed there, if at all? A week-end.

Then did you all come back together? Yes.

And then did you go back to school? Yes.

Whilst Miss Barrow was ill you were still at school every day, were
you not? Yes.

What time in the morning did you get up to go to school? I cannot
remember.

But it was early, was it? Yes.

You did not always sleep with Miss Barrow, did you you sometimes
slept in your own bed? Yes.

But I understand when Miss Barrow was ill you slept with her nearly
all the time? Yes.

I do not know whether you remember on one day about ten days
before that last night you told us you went to your own bed that night,
did you not? Yes.

You remember that? Yes.

Did Miss Barrow have a cup of tea in the early morning brought to
her bedroom? (No answer.)

A cup of something, whether it was tea or not when she was well?
Yes.

When she was ill did it go on or not? I cannot remember.

Who used to bring the tea in the morning to her? Maggie Seddon.

Was it Maggie Seddon or was it the girl Chater? Maggie Seddon.

Not Mary? No.

Did not Mary bring the tea sometimes? No.

Did Miss Barrow before she was ill go out and buy things for her own
food? Yes.

You used to go with her sometimes, did you not? Yes.

Did you not go messages? No.

Did you go out walking with her? Yes.

Did she take you to school in the morning, and come and fetch you
back? Yes.

How soon after she came back from Southend was it that she com-
plained of pains? I don't know how long after it was.

How soon after you came back from Southend did you sleep in her
room? I don't know.

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How many nights had you been sleeping in her room before the last
night? I don't know how many nights before.

Whilst Miss Barrow was ill, of course, you were not there in the day-
time? No.

When you came back at night did you find a very nasty smell in the
room; do you remember that? I did not notice any.

Do you remember the doctor putting up a sheet in front of the
door? Yes.

Do you know what carbolic smells like? I remember smelling it.

You did not notice a nasty smell in the house, did you? No.

Do you remember the doctor giving Miss Barrow first of all a thick
white medicine, rather milky-looking? Yes.

Did you ever see that? Yes.

She did not like that, did she? No.

She would not take it? Xo.

I think you said the or>ly time you ever saw Mr. Seddon give her any
medicine it was white stuff like water? Yes.

It was not the thick milky stuff, was it? No.

Do you remember the second medicine, which was a medicine which
had to be done in two glasses? Do you remember he put one in the one
glass and one in the other, and poured the two together, and when you
poured them together they began to fizz? Yes.

That was the medicine she did like? Yes.

Was that the medicine that you saw Mr. Seddon give her? Yes.

That is the only time you saw him give her medicine. Do you
remember Miss Barrow had very bad breathing sometimes, she found it
very difficult to breathe? Yes.

Did you ever see her take anything for that little lozenges, or things
like little lozenges? Yes.

Did you ever by chance see the bottle she used to take them out of ?
No.

I have just roughly drawn it. Did you ever see a little bottle that
sort of shape? (Sketch handed.) No.

Did you ever see her take things for her cough out of a little bottle



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