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39 IRISH DEBATES relative to the affairs of P
Ireland, In the years 1763 and 64, taken by F
a Military Officer (Sir John Calwell), with
an enquiry as to the restrictions laid on the
Trade of Ireland, etc., 2 vols, 8vo, calf, 7s 6d '
London. 1766




In the Years 1763 and 1764,




JVhat 1 have heard, permit me to relate.
To which are added,


low far the RESTRICTIONS laid upon the
Trade of IRELAND, by Briti/h A<5ts of
Parljhnent, are a Benefit or Difadvan'tage to
the Britijh Dominions in general, and to En-
gland in particular, for whofe feparate Advan-
tage they were intended.

ixtrafts of fuch Parts of the Statutes as lay the Trade of
Ireland under thofe Reftriftions.













Veneration of his ABILITIES and VIRTUES

A s A N


Moft Obliged,

and moft obedient
himbk Servant,

J. ft



Mr W> B William Burton, member for Gowran.

Mr C. C. Charles Coote, (now Lord Coolooney) mem-
ber for the city of Cavan.

Rt Hon. T. C Thomas Conolley, member for the county
of Londonderry.

UhS.M. Stephen Moore, (now Lord Kilworth) mei

Mr E. S. P. Edmond Sexton Perry, member for the city

of Limerick. . .

Rt Hon. F. A. Francis Andrews, member for the city ot

Mr 7. G. S. G. John Gore, Solicitor-General, (now

Lo'rd Chief Juftice) member for theC. of Longford.
Mr H. F. Henry Flood, member for Callen.
G L. M. D. Charles Lucas, M. D. member for Dublin.
Mr H. L. Hercules Langrifhe, member for Knotfo


Mr R F. Robert French, member for Carnck.
Rt Hon. Mr A. M. Anthony Malone, member f


Mr 7. E. John Eyre, member for Galway.
Mr J. H. H. P.S. John Hely Hutchinfon, Prime-Ser-
jeant, member for Cork.

Mr E. M. Edmond Malone, member for Granard.
Mr W. PL William Harward, member fui Lanefbo-

Rt Hon. Mr B. B. Benjamin Burton, member for the

C. of Catherlough.
Mr T. M. Thomas Malone, member for the C. of

Mr R. F. Robert Fitzgerald, member^ for" Dingle-



ii. NAMES of the SPEAKERS.

Hon. Mr B. M. Barry Maxwell, member for Ar-

Hon. E. S. Edward Stratford, member for Baltinglas.

Mr J. B. fen. John Bourke, fen, member for Old-

RtHon. P. T. A. G. Philip Tifdall, Attorney-General,
member for the Univerfity of Dublin.

Sir R. C. Sir Richard Cox, member for Cloghnikelty.

Rt Hon. Mr N. C. Nathaniel Clements, member for

MrAf. P. Marcus Paterfon, member for Ballanakill.

Sir R. D. Sir Robert Deane, member for Talagh.

Mr J. Fitz-*G. John Fitz-Gibbon, member for New-

Mr J. D. James Dennis, mpmber for Rothcormuk.

Mr W. B. William Brownlow, member for the C.
of Armagh.

Rt Hon. IF.H.F. William Henry Fortefcue, member
for Monaghan.

Mr J. M. John Mafon, member for Blefinton.

Mr R. L. Richard Longfield, member for Charleville.

Mr T. B. Thomas Butler, member for *he C. of

Mr M. C. Maurice Copinger, member for Ardfert.

Major W. B. Major William Burton, member for New-
Town, Uimavady.

Mr J. G. James Grattan, member for the city of Dublin.

&t Hon. H. L. R. Hen. Lang. Rowley, member the C.
of Meath.

Mr L. O. Lucius Obrien, member for Ennis.

Sir If. O. Sir William Osborne, member for Caries- fort,

Lord J?. Lord JBoyle, member for the county of Cork.


NAMES of the SPEAKERS. iifc

Mr ff. S. Henry Shears, member for Cloghnikelty.

Mr A. Mac- A. Alexander M'Aulay, member for Tho


Col. J. G. Col. James Gisborne, member forTalagh.
Mr T. le H. Thomas le Hunt, member for Wexford.
Rt Hon. W. G. H. William Gerard Hamilton, member

for Kilybeggs.
Sir A. A^ Sir Archibald Achefon, member for the county

of Armagh.
Mr W. C. William Clement, member for the untverfity

of Dublin.

Mr T. A. Thomas Adderley, member for Bandon-bridge.
Mr R. M. Redmond Morris, member for New-Town.
Major St J. J. St John Jefferyes, member for Middleton.'
Sir W. M. Sir William Mayne, member for Cariesfort.
Mr G. L. Gorges Lowther, member for the county of

Mr T. D. Thomas Dawfon, member for the county of


Mr J. B. John Bagwell, member for Tulfk.
Mr J. B~ - n. John Blunden, member for Kilkenny.
Lord S. Lord Sudley, member for the county of

Sir A. B. Sir Arthur Brooke, member for the county of

Mr O. W. Owen Winne, member for the county of


Mr A.J.N. Arthur Jones Neville, member for Wexford^
Mr J. C. John Cramer, member for Belturbet.
'Mr W. T. William Talbot, member for St Johnftoa's:
Mr y, H, Jofcph Henry, member for Longford.


IN the Beginning of the Winter of 1763,
when the Parliament was about to meet
for the firft Time after the Conclufion of a
long War, when the Cultivation of the Arts
of Peace had been recommended from the
Throne, and the Attention of the Legiflature
would be naturally turned upon the Redrefs
of Grievances, and the Eftablifhment of public
Oeconomy, I felt an Inclination to be pre-
fent at the Deliberations of fo auguft an Af-
fembly, at fo critical a Time, and on Subjects
fo Interesting and Important.

I therefore attended in the Houfe of Com-
mons,, from its firft fitting till the Recefs at
ChriftmaSy without Intermiffion, except one
Day, when a Breach of Privilege was com-
plained of, by a Member whofe Letter had
been charged by an Officer of the Poft-Office,
being that Day confined by Indifpolition : after
the Recefs, other Avocations rendered my
Attendance irregular.

A 3 During


During this Time the great Queftions con-
cerning the Grant of Penfions on the civil
Eftablifhmen't, and the Sums neceflary for
the Military Eftablifhment in time of Peace,
were debated. A Debate alfo came on,
concerning an Addrefs to his Majefty on
the Peace, the Report of the Committee
appointed to enquire into the Infurredli-
ons in the North, the Refidence of the
Clergy, the Publication of a Libel, and feve-
ral Others, which were Objects of a very in-
terefted Curiofuy.

By thefe Debates, carried on with the deep-
ed Penetration, the mod cxtenfive Know-
ledge, and the moft forcible Eloquence, I
was fo imprefied, that, after I had left the
Houfe, the Voice of the Speaker was ftili in
my Ears, and the Sentiments I had heard ex-
cluded all others from my Mind. I was
impelled, as it were, by an irreiiflablelm-
pulfe, to commit to Paper what was thus for-
cibly retained by my Memory, before it mould
be mixed with other Ideas, or in any degree
^obliterated by them ; when I made the At-
tempt I found the Talk ftill eafier than I had
imagined, my Attention was more fixed, and



the deliberate Recollection which Writing
made necefTary, brought back the Ideas in a
flow but regular Succeffion, and generally in
the very Words which had been ufed to ex-
prefs them.

I had, indeed, upon former Occafions, ex-
perienced that my Memory was not unfaith-
ful with refpeft to Sentiment, but that with
a mere Succeffion of Words, or Sounds, it
was not always to be trufted. I could, very
early in my Life remember the Principles of
an Argument, and the Events of a Story, but
I found it difficult to retain mere Words,
when I was to learn a Language, or the Suc-
ceflion of mere Sounds, when I applied to

Why fome Perfons remember Words and
Sounds, who cannot remember Principles and
Events, in a regular Series,! {hall not here en-
quire; but as, when we think, our Ideas -oc-
cur to our own Minds in fome Terms that
would exprefs them to another ; fo when we
recoiled: Ideas that have been communicated
to us under certain Terms, thofe Terms natu-
rally occur with the Ideas, rather than any
other, being already affbciated with them.
A 4 This


This feems to account for my having been
able to recollect the Words, as well as the
Sentiments, of thofe whom I heard fpeak in
Parliament, without pofTeffing that mechani-
cal Kind of Memory which can retain Terms,
not as Symbols but as Sounds, and which
fometirnes diftinguimes thofe who difcover
fcaree any other Faculty of the Mind ; for
there have been Perfons, who, though they
could repeat a Difcourfe of considerable length
delivered in a Language they did not under-
fland, after once hearing it, yet could not have
comprehended the meaning of it, if -it had
been delivered in their mother Tongue. I do
not, however, pretend that I have always done
Juftice to the Speakers, either with refpect
to Language or Sentiment, whatever is amifs,
therefore, in either, muft be imputed to me,
though the Honour of whatever is excellent
muft undoubtedly be theirs.

When I had fucceeded in recording thefe
Speeches, fo much to my own Satisfaction, I
could not help wiming to communicate the
Pleafure I had received. I confidered, that
nothing could be a more interefting Object of
Curiofity than the Sentiments of thofe who
.have been felected by the Suffrages of their



Country to compofe the Supreme Council of
the Nation, with refpect to the Laws which
are there formed for its Government ; and
that it muft afford the higheft Satisfaction to
every Individual ' to fee the Reafon and Foun-
dation of thofe Acts on which Property, Li-
berty, and Life depend.

I confidered alfo, that, except fome faint
and imperfect Attempts \nEngland$\\$ Service
had never yet been rendered to the Publick ;
a Defire therefore of obtaining Honour to my-
felf, concurring with that of benefiting others,
both felf love and focial determined me to
make public what I collected only for my
private Amufement and Satisfaction.

It is true, indeed, :hat the Subjects debated,
in the Parliament of Ireland, are not of the
fame Importance with thofe of her fifter
Country, on which the Fate of a Conftitution,
that is the Admiration and Envy of the World
depends, and which in fome Degree involve
the Interefts of all the States in Europe ; yet
they afford a fufficient Field for the Patriot
and the Orator, and they affect, not only this
Part of the Bn'fi/Jj Dominions, but have fome
relation to the whole.



The Parliamentary Debates, however, of
this Country are interefting, not only on ac-
count of the Importance of the Subjects, but
the Abilities of the Speakers. Our Houfe of
Commons confifts of Gentlemen who have
eminently diftinguiflied themfelves in every
learned and honourable Profeffion $ and, upon
this Occafion, I cannot but obferve, that there
is fcarce one Native of this Country in the
Parliament of England that is not a Speaker
of fome Diftin&ion. Let me add, that, in my
Travels through many Nations, during an ab-
fence of feven Years from my Country, I came
into no Kingdom where I did not find Na-
tives of Ireland, in every Profeffion, and al-
moft in every Art, who had been preferred to
eminent Stations merely by their Merit, hav-
ing entered the Country under all the Difad-
vantages of Aliens, without Money, and with-
out Friends.

I flatter myfelf that thefe Debates, notwith-
ftanding the Injury they may havefuffered in
my Hands, will difcover Abilities intheSpeak-
ers,that would do Honour to any Age and any
Nation ; and that, notwithftanding their diffe-
rent Situations and the different Circumftances



In which the Bufinefs of Parliament is tran-
fa&ed, their Speeches will not fuffer by a
Comparifon even with thofe of the Senate of
Great Britain.

In Ireland^ as I have obferved before, the
Debates are confined to Subjects that princi-
pally relate to its interior Intereft : The Par-
liament aflembles but fix Months in a Revo-
lution of two Years ; an indifpenfable atten-
dance on the Courts of Law prevents many
Members from being conftantly prefent, and
the whole Number is comparatively few.

Thefe Circumftances confidered, the Spirit
of the Debates now offered to the Publick,
will do yet greater Honour to the Speakers,
both with refpect to their Principles and their
Abilities ; and it may fafely be left to the
World to determine what a figure they would
make in an Affembly where their Eloquence
would be prompted by every Motive that can
influence the Human Mind, at the fame
Time that they would acquire all the auxili-
ary Powers of Habit, by long and frequent
opportunities of Exertion.


viii P R E F A C E.

Upon the Whole I flatter myfelf that thefe
Debates will not be found wholly unworthy
either of the Subjects, or of the Speakers ; yet
as they were written entirely from Memory,
where fome of the flighter Traces may have
faded away, I hope the Publick will regard
them in the fame Light as they would a capi-
tal Picture fomewhat injured, and here and
there retouched by an inferior Hand, yet fo
as nearly to imitate the Colouring, and always
to preferve the Contour.

In this light I would alfo fubmit them to
the Gentlemen by whom they were delivered,
Arid who I hope will do me the Jufbice to
believe that I have never wilfully deviated,
either from their Sentiments or Expreffions :
This is all the Merit I claim, and all the At-
tonement I can make for fuch Imperfections
as they mall difcover in the Work,- except,
that I did not take any Notes, or procure any
.Notes to be taken, .,, ,/

I muft alfo, in juftice to thefe Gentlemen,
declare, that not a fingleSyllable of the follow-
ing Speeches has been {hewn to the Perfon
fuppofed to have delivered it, nor have I had
the kaft Communication with any Member


The P R E F A G E. ITS

concerning them, either by Letter or Conver-
fation, immediately or by Proxy. The par-
ticular Intereft of Ireland as a feparate Nation,
and its general Intereft as Part of the Britijh
Dominion? being frequently difcufled in the
following Debates, and mention being made
of feveral Reftriclions laid upon the Trade of
Ireland by the Laws of Great-Britain^ an
Enquiry naturally rofe how far Great Britain.
is benefited by fuch Reftriclions. As the Sub-
ject of this Enquiry is of great Importance,
and has never yet been examined, it is hoped
that an Attempt to examine it will not be
thought an improper Sequel to this Work, and
that fuch Defects as may appear in it from
the Author's want of fufficient Knowledge
and Abilities for fo important an Undertak-
ing, will be fupplied by thofe who are equal
to the Tafk.

The prefent Situation of Ireland is fuch as
renders it abfolutely neceflary that fome Per-
fons of the greateft Experience and Abilities
fhpuld make it the Object of their ferious and
moft mature Confederation, particularly as to
its Defence, when another War. fhall break
outj its Government, withrefpect to Popularity
and Refourcesj and, above all, its Trade in its


x ' The P R E F A C E.

prefent and moft deplorable State, when the
high Price of Land, and confequently of all
the NecefTaries of Life, is ftarving at leafl
one half of the few and miferable Inhabitants
of the Country. Where hereditary Proper-
ty is fo unequally divided, Trade only can
feed the Hungry and cloath the Naked : And
I hope it will not be thought Prefumption in
me to fay, that if a proper Attention is not
given to thefe Particulars foon, it will be too
late, and the Confequences will be fatal.



Relative to the

TUESDAY, March n, 1763.

T A COPY of the Lord Lieutenant's Speech*
My Lords and Gentlemen^

IT is with the utmoft Satisfa&ion that, in
Obedience to his Majefty's Commands, I
am now to meet a Parliament which has al-
ready given fo many and fuch very diftin-
guifhed Proofs of its Zeal and Unanimity in
the Support and Service of the Crown.

I have it exprefly in Command from his
Majefty to declare to you his entire Approba-
tion of your paft Conduct, and to aflure you
that the whole Courfe of your late Proceed-

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ings has filled his royal Mind with every Sen-
timent of Regard which can flow from a juft
and gracious Sovereign towards a dutiful and
a loyal People.

It is with particular Satisfaction I commu-
nicate to you at the Opening of this Seffion of
Parliament thofe great and important Events
which have occurred iince your laft Meeting.

By the Conclufion of a general Peace, the
Tranquillity of every Part of Europe is per-
fe6tly re-eftablimed ; his Majefty's Dominions
are enlarged ; the Commerce of his Subjects
is extended ; and you are, at length, relieved
from thofe Burthens which are unavoidable
in .the Progrefs even of the moft fuccefsful

Interefted, as you are, in the Happinefs of
fo excellent a Sovereign j and fenfible, as you
have ever been, of the inestimable publick
Bleffings which you have enjoyed under his
illuflrious Houfe ; you will receive with
Pleafure, the Information of the auspicious
Birth of the Prince of Wales , and of the fur-
ther Encreafe of the Royal Family, by the
Birth of a fecond Prince : Events which pro-


DAY I.] Affairs of IRELAND; 3

mife fuch an Addition to his Majefty's domef-
tic Felicity, and fuch a lafling Security to our
happy Conftitution.

Gentlemen of the Houfe of Commons ,

I have ordered the proper Officers to pre-
pare the feveral Accounts and Eftimates, that
they may be laid, in due Time, before you j
You will obferve, that although, from the Ex-
igencies of feveral extraordinary Services, the
Expences of the two preceding Years have
confiderably exceeded what was ufual in
Times of Peace j yet they are fallen far fhort
of the Sums which were fo liberally voted in
the laft Sefiion, a great Part of which ftill re-
mains unborrowed * : His Majefty having de-
termined to make Ufe of the Credit given to
his Government in no other Proportion than
as the Neceffity of his Service exactly required.
I confider it as extremely fortunate, that I en-
ter upon the Government of this Kingdom at
a Time when the Situation of publick Affairs

* This Word having been cenfured by fome without
)oors as not a Denifon of our Language, it is not im-
proper to obferve, that un is a Privative or Negative
Particle, which is placed, almoft at Will, before Adjec-
tives and Adverbs, and has been placed before borrowed
both by Dryden and Locke,

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will permit fo very confiderable a Diminution
of the public Expence, and when I am com^
manded by his Majefty to thank you only for
your paft Efforts, without again having Re-
courfe to" the experienced Liberality of Parlia-
ment : I have nothing to aik but the Conti-
nuance of the Supplies for the Support of the
ordinary Eftablifhment, which it is hoped will
not exceed the Produce of the ordinary Re-
venue, and I recommend to you a proper At-
tention to the Reduction of the public Debt.

My Lords and Gentlemen,

Not only my Duty, but my earneft good
Wifhes for the Profperity of Ireland, oblige
me to take this Opportunity of mentioning
to you the only unpleafing Circumftance
which has occurred fince my Entrance upon
this Government ; the tumultuous Riilngs of
the lower People, in Contempt of Laws and
of Magiftracy, and of every conftitutional
Subordination, muft, if not duly attended to,
be productive of the moft fatal Confequences,
they are a Difgrace to a Country of Liberty ;
they are ruinous to a Country of Commerce;
and muft be particularly fatal here, where the
leaft Check to the riling Spirit of Induftry is


DAY I.J jlffazrs of IRELAND. 5

fo very fenfibly felt, and fo very difficult to be
retrieved ; no Means can ferve more effectu-
ally to prevent thefe Diforders for the future,
than the Encouragement of fuch Inftitutions
as tend to imprefs on the Minds of the lower
Order of People, early Habits of Induftry,
and true Principles of Religion : For this
Purpofe, your Proteftant Charter Schools were
eftablifhed, to which I therefore recommend
the Continuance of .your Care, Encourage-
ment, and Support : Your Linen Manufac-
ture demands, and will reward every Inftance
of Public Attention j there is nothing which
can more properly excite your future Endea-
vours, and nothing has more fully anfwered
your former Expectations : This Manufacture
has been, at all Times, the favourite Object
of Parliamentary Encouragement ; and I
mould be concerned that any National Ad-
vantage which has been cultivated under the
Adminiftration of my PredecefTors, mould be
neglected under mine : Be affured you cannot
take any Meafures which will be more grate-
ful to his Majefty ; or, which I (hall be more
follicitous to forward, than thofe which may
in any Refpect, advance the growing Profpe-
rity of this very improveable Country : If,
therefore, any of your Manufactures may be
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further extended ; if any Thing can be done
towards exciting the Spirit, or, providing the
Means of Induftry : If any Improvements in
Agriculture can be produced, upon wife and
practicable Principles 3 and in every Thing
that tends to the Encouragement of Virtue,
or the promoting of true Religion, you will
have, towards the Attainment of thofe Ends,
not only my zealous Co-operation, but his
Majefty's fteady and willing Protection. I
come to this Government with the King's
exprefs Commands, and my own very warm
Inclination to recommend and fupport fuch
Meafures : His Majefty has the firmed Reli-
ance on your experienced Duty and Loyalty;
on your unbiafs'd Regard to the Public ; and
he doubts not that this Seffion of Parliament
will be carried on in a Manner fuitable to
your own Dignity, and to the Unanimity of
your paft Proceedings.

If the moft inviolable Attachment to his
Majefty, and Zeal for his Service ; if a firm
Adherence to thofe Principles by which the
Proteftants of Ireland have ever been diftin-
guimed, were Qualifications fufficient for the
Difcharge of the high and arduous Truft com-
mitted to my Hands, I might infure to myfelf


DAY I.] Affairs of IRELAND. 7

an Adminiftration not unacceptable to Parlia-
ment : And I ftill flatter myfelf, that, as the
only Ends I have in Purfuit are the King's
Service and the Public Welfare, I may obtain
the only Rewards I have in View, his Majef-
ty's favourable Acceptance of my Services,
and your entire Approbation of my Conduct.

Mr 7F B moved, that an humble Ad-
drefs mould be prefented to his Majefty to
allure his Majefty that we mail be always
ready to give him the moft convincing Proofs
of our Loyalty and Zeal for the Support of
his Crown and Dignity. To exprefs our
warmed Gratitude for the gracious Approba-
tion with which his Majefty is pleafed to ho-
nour our paft Conduct ; and to allure his Ma^-
jefty that we mail in the Courfe of our future
Proceedings, by our Perfeverance in the fame
Principles of Duty and Loyalty, endeavour to
deferve the Continuance of his Majefty's royal
Favour and Protection. To return our moft
dutiful and moft grateful Thanks to his Ma-
jefty for his paternal Care, in being gracioufly
pleafed, upon theRe-eftablifhment of a gene-
ral Peace, immediately to relieve his loyal and
faithful Subjects of this Kingdom from thofe
heavy Burdens which they chearfiilly bore,
B 3 during-

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during the late fuccefsful War. To exprefs
the Happinefs we muft feel from every new
Acceffion to his Majefty's Dominions, and
Extenfion of the Commerce of his Subjects.
To exprefs our moft unfeigned Joy, upon the
aufpicious Birth of a Prince of Wales, and of
the further Addition to his Majefty's Royal
Houfe, by the Birth ^>f a fecond Prince 5
Events, which, as they promife fo great an
Addition to his Majefty's domeftic Felicity,
and fuch a lafting Security to our happy Con-
fb'tution, muft give the higheft Pleafure to a
People deeply interefted in the Happinefs of
fo excellent a Sovereign, and fo fully fenfible
of the ineftimable public Bleffings which they
have, without Interruption, enjoyed under his
Majefty's illuftrious Houfe. To acknowledge
it as a particular Inftance of his Majefty's
tender Concern, for the Welfare of this King-
dom, that he has been gracioufly pleafed to
appoint a chief Governor to prefide over us,
of whofe approved Fidelity to his Majefty,
and fteady Attachment to his royal Houfe,
we are fully perfuaded, and of whofe Ho-
nour, Juftice, Integrity, and other eminent
Qualities, we have conceived the higheft O-
pinion. To exprefs our juft Senfe of his Ma-
jefty's great Goodnefs in having made ufe of

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