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it into her head from your sermons, etc., that there is a new
party springing up in the Church which she calls ' the new
men,' and has been pumping my sisters about you, and
whether j^our notions are spreading, kc. I have no notion
how far she has distinct views, but they say she has been
working the Dartmouth Evangelicals with j'our sermons, and
made one of the parsons knock under. I have also heard of
a learned lady (a very good and sensible person by-the-bye)
poking away most industriously at your * Arians,' and saying
that her views had been much cleared by it. Also another
who has been much distressed at a report that the ' Lyra ' is
not going on. . . .

P.S. — As to the laity having power in Synods. I don't know
enough to have an opinion.



112 John J I envy Xcicniaii 1835

In answer Six. Newman writes :

,hihj 1835.

"What you say about our opuscula is very encouraging.
I am astonished to see how they take. As to my sermons^
Wihiams has lately been inquiring in London, and been
told they are selling as well as they can sell, and when he
pressed to know which volume most, they would not tell, only
answer they both were, &c. I do verily believe a spirit is
abroad at present, and we are but blind tools, not knowing
whither we are going. I mean, a flame seems arising in so
many places as to show no mortal incendiary is at work,
though this man or that may have more influence in shaping
the course or modifying the nature of the flame. I have, at
present, some misgivings whether I have not been too bold in
the June Magazine on the subject of Monachism. You saw
it, and it is only my confidence in this unseen agitator which
bears me up. I doubt whether I am not burdenhig my well-
wishers with too heavy a load when I oblige them to take up
and defend these opinions too.

You see the ground taken, as far as I am concerned, by
oiiv faittores in many quarters, is that of my not being a party
man or peculiar in anj'- sense. Now some one has told me
that, in defending Monachism, I have become peculiar. I
can but throw mj-self in answer upon the general Church, and
avow (as I do) that if any one will show me any opinion of
mine which the Primitive Church condemned, I will renounce
it ; any which it did not insist on, I will not insist on it. Y^'et,
after all, I am anxious about it, and shall draw in my horns.

PiEV. J. H. Newman to J. W. Bowden, Esq.

Jtth/ 7, 1835.

They say the poor Duke is certainly for Lord Radnor's
Bill [the Welsh Bishoprics], which is marvellous, considering
its infrhigement of corporate rights. But perhaps the
Corporation Reform Bill is to destroy that argument. His
friends here are verj' angry with him. It is said he has
declared he will not present our petition, but leave it to the



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Archbishop. This I do not boHeve for an instant, but it
shows liow strong the opinion is of his opposition to us.
Would you beheve it, he wrote down to the Heads to say the
majority of residents was against the Act of May 20 ; and
even now our Provost goes about declarhig it, though the
number who voted on that occasion (even if 57 were not too
small in itself to be a majority) has been ascertained and
found to bo 30 for the change and 1 1 1 (I believe), and but for
accidents 10 more, against it. There would have been no
petition at all to Parliament against Lord Padnor but for the
'•esolution of the M.A.'s, who signed a paper (about 70 signa-
tures) to the Vice-Chaneellor, begging him to call the Heads
together for the purpose of concocting one.

I have not yet spoken of your tract ; your passages about
the Eeformers do not distress me at all. I am sure the more
we can (conscientiously) praise them, the better; and if another
hnds himself able to do so more than I, I am desirous to
avail myself of his ability. I shall put it (the tract) into
Keble's hands. . . .

Rev. B. Hakkison to Pev. J. H. Xew:\ian.

Jul]) 14, 1835.

... I have thought that it would perhaps be best for
your and Pusey's tracts [on Baptism] to state your views
positively and doctrinally this month, and any illustrations or
subsidiary arguments might follow as occasion requires or
objections are made. And I suppose your two tracts would
i)robably be at some length, Pusey's especially, and therefore
you would not want a third to swell your budget for August.
And I should like to have seen your tracts ; and writing
liere should feel rather writing in the dark, not knowing how
far it might agree with the line your arguments were taking.

[N.B. — Pusey's tract on Baptism, here referred to, was
published, I think, on August 24, 1835. ^^J projected
tract on Baptism became in consequence sermons, namely
those of vol. iii. 18, 19, 20.]

A clerical connexion of mine has been selling his copy of

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114 John I /any Nci>.nnaii 1835

Bisliop Bevcriilgo's works, because his curate, who had
borrowed them, had exalted his ideas of the Sacraments since
he had taken to read Beveridge, being convinced that they
had been too low hitherto. And this was not to be 1
Mumpsimus was still to be Mumpsimus.

Eev. J. 11. Xewjtan to PiEv. Pi. II. Frol-de.

Jiihj i6, 1835.

My chapel (Littlemore) was begun yesterday, and the first
stone is to be solemnly laid next week. It is to be roofed in
by the end of October. The two builders ran against each
other 663/. to 665/., the architect beforehand reckoning on
650Z. ; so I hope I have got it at about the right sum. This
takes in everything of fitting up except the bell. The Society
[Oriel College] gives us 150/.'

In answer to this letter, Mr. Froude writes an urgent
invitation to join him at Torbay, giving all details of route,
fares, &c. ' I am sure the lark will do you good, and the
money (2/. 15s.) will not be grossly misspent.'

Eev. J. H. Newman to Eev. E. H. Froude.

Jiihj 20, 1835.

I should like of all things to come and see you, but can
say nothing to the proposal at present, being very busy here,
and being in point of finances in a very unsatisfactory state.
I am at present at Dionysius and the Abbe, whom tha;t
I could dispatch this vacation.

Acland has sent a fifth Cambridge man to me [Mr. Sterling].
I am somewhat anxious lest I have gone too far in confessing
monastic doctrines.

' On July 21, 1S35, the first stone of Littlemore Church -was laid by Mrs.
Newman. In a pocket-book diary kept by her is this entry : — ' July, Tuesday,
2ist. A gratifying day. I laid the first stone of the church at Littlemore. The
whole village there. The Hackers, Thompsons, Keble, Eden, Copeland. J. H.
a nice address. Prayers, Creed, and Old Hundredth Psalm.' ilr. Newman's
address to the parishioners on this occasion will be found in the Appendix.



1835 Letters and Correspoiideuce 115

Mr. Newman did not go to Torbay. His next and last
visit to Froude was to Dartington, September 15. The
following letter relates to a controversy going on between
Mr. Newman and the Abbe Jager just mentioned [see
'Chronological Notes,' July 25, 1835: — ' My controversy
with the Abbe Jager '], of which there are no details given
in the correspondence.

Eev. B. Harrison to Rev. J. H. Newmax,

I am sorry to find that the Abbe has disquieted you so
much, but you must console yourself with the reflection that,
according to Palmer's account, your letter deprived him of
sleep several /»V//<^s, You must in return expect some trouble-
some days. ... I tlimk we might keep him (juiet while we
answer him, as he has kept us quiet these ^jro' months. Do
not think about the annoyance of translation while you answer
the Abbe. Can you not let your pen go on, as thougli it were
to be printed as it is written ? His unfairness, shallowness,
and ignorance will, we must hope, be respectively corrected,
deepened, and enlightened by contact with the ' ^\jiglican
Church ' ; so pray write.

Very Rev. Dr. WisK:\rAN to Rev. J. H. Newman.

London : JaJu 28, 1835.

Your kind offer when i had the pleasure of seeing you in
Rome emboldens me to present to you my friend the Rev. J.
Maguire [June 12, 1862 : — late V.-G. of Westminster], who is
desirous of visiting Oxford, and whom I hope before long to
follow on the same interesting errand.

\jJane 13, 1862 — viz. the errand of visiting Oxford. 1
believe Dr. W. professed to come and consult the libraries.
He never did come in those years, as far as I know. Among
my transcripts of my letters to Bowdcn there is an explanation
on the subject addressed through him to Mr. Josluia Watson. J



ii6 John Ilcury Neunnan 1835

Rev. Pi. C. Trench [Now Dean of "Westminster. — J. H. N.
i860] TO Rev. J. II. Newman.

,hihj 30, 1835.

May I, on the ground of a very brief acquaintance, ask
your acceptance of one of the accompanying volumes, and
also take the same or a still greater liberty with Mr. Keljle ?
But I feel under so many obligations both to yourself and him,
that I am unwilling an opportunity should go by that would
allow me to acknowledge, even thus slightly, how considerable
I must ever account these obligations to be.

Some fortnight elapsed before the volume was acknow-
ledged ; but the reader will prefer— in shght disregard of
chronological order — that letter and answer should, in this
instance, be read together.

Rev. -T. H. Newman to Rev. R. C. Trench.

August 17.

I ought before now to have acknowledged for Mr. Keble
and myself your very kind and^ acceptable present, which I
now do with many thanks. It gives me pleasure by means of
it to be allowed, if I may so express myself, to make your
familiar acquaintance, it being the peculiarity of the poetical
gift, that it opens to others the writer's mind unconsciously,
without alarming his own retired and delicate feelings.

Rev. R. H. Frol-de to Rev. J. H. Newman.

Paiijnton : July 31.

Fratcr desiderate. Speak not of finances, since all the
people here are ready to subscribe for you : as for the Abbe,
you can work him here as well as anywhere.

It is exquisitely pleasant here — a hot sun with a fresh air
is a luxury to which I have long been a stranger. If you were
to stay here a fortnight, you might get on with your controversy



I80o Letters and Coj'rcspoudtiice 1 1 7

and be inspired for the novel. I give out in all directions that
you mean to Avrite it, and divulge the plot.

There is nothing in the papers before the Editor to show
that any ground whatever in fact existed for the ' novel '
Froude here talks of. In the postscript to ' Callista,' the
author speaks of l)cing stopped at the fifth chapter, ' from
sheer inabilit}' to devise personages or incidents.' "Was the
attempt to express the feelings and mutual relations of Chris-
tians and heathens in early Christian times already an idea iii
the author's mind '? The letter continues:

I forget whether I told 3'ou how much my father was taken
with the historical part of your ' Arians,' and particularly its
bearing on the present times.

As to your question about the lait}' in Convocation, I told
you I had tried hard to think it admissible, but that Bishop
Hicks, in his ' Constitution of the Christian Church,' has con-
vinced me that in spirituals each bishop is absolute in his
own diocese, except so far as he may have bound himself by
ordination oaths to his Primate — so that not only the laity
l)ut Presbyters are cut out. . . . As to your monasticism
articles in the * British Magazine,' my father read the oflen-
sive part in the June one, and could see notliing in it that
any reasonable person could object to ; and some persons I
know have been struck by them. I cannot see the harm of
losing mlluence with people when you can only retahi it by
sinkmg the points on which you differ with them. Surely
tliat would be Pr<q)ttr rifdiii cicciidi, d'c "\Miat is the good
of influence, except to inlluence people '?

EeV. II. J. PiOSB TO PiEV. J. II. XEW:\rAN.

Jidi/ 31, 1S35.

I wish very much you would talk over with Pahner the
feasibility of the scheme for a Churt-h history whirh ^laitland
has suggested. I do not see any difficulties which are so



ii8 John Jloiry N^cunnau IB.'^S

formidable as to make us think it should be lightly abandoned ;
and every day convinces me of the urgent necessity of doing
something on tliis head. We are perishing from ignorance.
People are beginning to see the importance of the subject,
and Waddington will have possession simply for want of a
better.

Again, for our own country, Short's book is getting into all
hands, when it ought not to be in any. I have just been
looking at it again : and really can see no reason why any
given pert Liberal of five-and-twenty might not write the text
any day between sleeping and waking, or just after dinner, or
at any other time when people live without thinking. It is
really too bad to be destroyed by such books, and j-et we
deserve it if we do not exert ourselves. I am ready to give
up my time to such an undertaking, conjointly with others.

Eev. J. H. Newman to his Mother {then on a
course of visits.)

Grid: JiiJjj 31, 1835.

My dear Mother, — Your letter was very acceptable, and I
wish I could answer it as abundantly ; but somehow I find it
so difficult to bring together in my memorj* in a quarter of an
hour everything I might say if I had a day to do it in.

I have not yet been able to get to Iffley (or to call on Ogle,
except once, when he Avas out). Something has occurred every
night, and the days have been too hot. I am examining for
Confirmation three evenings a week now ; ' and yesterday a
person made his appearance as an avant-courier of Dr. "Wise-
man of Eome, who is to be here for some weeks. He is
a Mr. Maguire, a Eoman Catholic priest. He dined with us
and had a good deal of conversation.

The Church will make no show for a month — the}' say the
digging stone will take nearly that time. I am going to give
them another spot to dig upon to expedite matters — namely,
the corner, which we may set aside for a school-room. '\'\liich

' A candidcate for confirmation recalled, forty years after, her vivid recollec-
tion of these examinations.



1835 LcUcrs and Coryespondeiicc J19

corner had it better be ? Please to answer this. I shall have
above fifteen candidates for Confirmation, some very interesting
ones.' When I am employed in that sort of work, I always
feel how I should like a parish with nothing but pastoral duties.
One great advantage of a large parish is that one can do no-
thing else. Nothing is so hampering to the mind as tno occu-
pations ; this is what I have found both at St. Clement's and
when I was Tutor at Oriel. As it is, my parish is not enough
to employ me, so I necessarily make to myself two occuj^ations —
which, though necessary, is to me distracting. Some people can
work better for a division of duties. Some persons cannot attend
to one thing for more than two hours without a headache. I
confess for myself I never do anything so well as when I have
nothing else to do. I would joyfully give myself to reading or
again to a parish. However, as to a large parish, there seem
to me in the present state of things two special drawbacks :
one, the amount of mere secular business laid on a clergyman,
attendance at vestries, &c. ; the other, that reall}' at the pre-
sent day we are all so ignorant of our duties, that I should be
actually afraid myself, without a great deal more learning, to
undertake an extensive charge. I find daily from reading the
Pathers how ignorant we are in matters of practice. E.g. I
mean the kind of mistakes, thou,L:h not so fiagrant, of the
poor fellow who re-baptized a whole set of ])issenters. Hooker
does a good deal for one, but even to master Hooker is no
slight work. I do really fear that, for the want of knowing
what is right and what is wrong, the best intentioncd people
are making the most serious and mischievous mistakes.

I sent off to Harrison, on Monday last, the first part of
my second letter to the Abbe, which is all I shall do till it is
printed. I am now at Dionysius, and cannot tell what time
he will take me. Rivington, in answer to a letter of mine, has
written to say he means to give up the tracts. 1 cannot say
quite that 1 am sorry, for what is done is done, and we shall
make two volumes of them ; and I shall be saved the (rouble
in future. I shall devolve on Keble or others the editorship,
if anything new starts . . . Oxford is very hot, except my

' Sec Appendix.



I20 John Henry Newman 1835

rooms, which are quite cool. ... 1 hope I shall have a good
account of my Aunt's health. Ever yours dutifully,

John II. Newman.



PiEv. J. II. Newman to J. W. Bowden, Esq.

AwjUHt 3, 1835.

. . . By-the-hye, talking of Hildehraud, Piose and Maitland
have a grand design in contemplation, viz. that of writing
an ecclesiastical histor}'. Nothing is settled yet ; I only know
they are looking out for about a dozen men to divide the
eighteen centuries among, and have asked Keble, Palmer and
myself. It immediately struck me what a great catch it would
be for them to get hold of your ' Hildebrand ' ; but they do not
yet know their own plans. One notion they had was merely
to translate Fleury, but I doubt if that would answer.

Piivington has written to say he wants to give over the
tracts, so I suppose we shall end at once. This, I fear, will
interfere with the 'Ruined Chapel,' ' Piichard Nelson,' Part Y.,
and others, but I do not know for certain yet.

We have had a number of Cambridge men here, one after
another — not, I trust, without benefit.

J. W. BowDEN, Esq., to Eev. J. H. Newman.

London: August 4, 1S35.

. . . I am grieved about the tracts. If you can, you should
try to have a few more, so as to make a decent second volume
in point of size. If you could go on till October, it would be
well ; then each volume would include, would it not "? the tracts-
for a year, and it would look like a definite time for stopping.
At any rate, do not close abruptly, or, as it were, fly from the-
field. March off with drums beating and colours flying in a
farewell tract, recapitulating your motives for publishing the
series, expressing 3'our hopes quod bene vortat, and perhaps
alluding to future exertions. Make it appear that the work
which j-ou had undertaken has been accomplished, not given^
up. . . .



1835 Letters and Correspondence 121

For various reasons, publishers could not give, or preferred
not giving, easy circulation to the tracts, at this stage.
Correspondents complain of not being able to get them from
the country booksellers. It needed the impulse of zealous
s}^npathy or violent opposition, and some bulk in the tracts
with the author's name attached, or at least acknowledged, to
raise the sale into a business standard of importance.

PiEV. Dr. Pusey to Piev. J. H. Newmax.

Jlopton : ^iiignst 6, 1 835.

I shall be ready to obey your summons to meet Professor
"Wiseman -when you please, only I suppose it must be next
week, as Saturday is, I think, still a fast day with tliem.

PiEV. Hugh James Eose to PiEV. J. 11. Xewmax.

AtcjKut 8, 1835.

. . . Many thanks for your letter as to the history scheme.
My main reason for wishing a translation or modification of
some already existing book is, that it ensures, not, indeed, the
best thinr/, but something tolerable within a given time. With
respect to original works, no one can doubt the superior
interest which they would excite. But it is impossible to
foresee when 3'ou could get anythiu(i whatever done, and we are
licrisliinfj day by day for want of it. If eight or ten persons
could be got together for original work, still they could not work
in the same dogged way as at a mere correction, improvement,
alteration, retrenchment, kc. — for the plan should allow of
all these with half a dozen et-ca'teras more — of an existing
work. I know, for exami)le, of myself, that in hiatorti I am never
easy till I have full security that I have ferreted out all. . . .
Such an operation is always indefinite in lenifth, being, more-
over, only the commencement of the yet more material work of
arranging one's ideas, kc.

Perhaps the two plans could be comliincd. That is, any-
one who felt that ho had got, or could get at once, the



122 John TIcnry A'cwnian 1835

Hiaterials for a particular part, and that he should work more
unfettered with his own material, might be considered as a
most valuable labourer, because for the part he undertook he
would act alone, while others who want discretion SLndf/iiidance
■would find it in the text which they would improve l>y their
corrections.

All that I would sa}', however, is let sometldnrj he done, for
the want is a crying one. What do our students, what do our
clergy, read ? What is there to recommend to them but
Mosheim and Milner, and Milner and Mosheim ? Yet does
not every day's debate in Parliament show the importance of
the thing, and tell us, trumpet-tongued, that as we sow we
shall reap — that deserved ruin is the fruit of wilful negli-
gence and ignorance of the history of the Gospel ?

Eev. J. H. Neavman to his Sistee Jemima.

Aurjust 9, 1835.

... I think I shall go down to Froude for ten days. I
am very unwilling to do it, but it is so uncertain whether he
•will be able to come to Oxford at all, that I think I ought to
secure seeing him before he goes abroad. . . . Diouysius
gets on slowly, as he is taking me, as I expected be would,
into a consideration of the Apollinarian Controversy, which
requires a good deal of reading. This it is which makes me
so unwilling to leave Oxford, for I foresee I shall just be m the
very heart of my investigation, with all manner of critical
points and delicate arguments in the balance, and a number
of half-unravelled threads in hand when I am forced to break
off. . . .

Poor Blanco White's book has at length appeared : that is,
his first book. I suppose after his death there will be a second.
It is as bad as can be. He evidently wishes to be attacked.
I hope as far as possible he will be let alone ; it will do him
most good. He is not contented till he is talked about, and
he has a morbid pleasure in being abused.

Writing from Dartington soon after to his sister, there is



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an allusion to the beauty of that country, which recalls his
vivid impression on fh'st visiting it, and shows the same
resistance to its charm :

This country is certainly overpoweringly beautiful and
enchanting, except to those who are resolved not to be
enchanted.

PiEV. J. 11. Newjian to liEv. Pi, II, Froude.

Avrinst 9, 1835.

Rogers and another friend, by way of supplement, have
offered for your acceptance Du Gauge's Glossary, and the book
is now in your room, or rather has been there above a month.

I shall bring with me a lot of sermons to try to put together
a third volume, and shall get you to help me. At present I
am hard at Dionysius, i.e. at the Apollinarian Controversy.
Afterwards will follow the Nestorian, and by the time I have
finished I shall have materials (I suppose) for a volume on
the Incarnation to accompan}' the ' Arians.' Nothing l)ut some
object would enable me to rouse mj'self to such subtle specu-
lations (though in these times, surely most necessary, unless
we are to be swept awa}', creeds, Church and all), and Dionysius
answers this purpose: c.rf. in a certain creed given to the Council
of Antioch, a.d. 264, occurs the Mord irpuaoiTrov as applied to
the avvOsrov or union of the hvo (fyvasis in our Lord. Now I
think to be able to prove that it was not so used till a.d. (say)
392. You see what investigations this must lead to.

I conceive that I have entirely beaten you as regards the
Abbe, for you have brought the matter to this issue. The
Abbe, so far from contesting the point, I think, would be
obliged to grant that tradition (prophetical) had no innate
self- sanction, for (in the Latin theory) the ChiinJi in coiiucil
(or otherwise) r/ircs that sanction; //// tJtrji, this or that
tradition has no authority at all. The Bible, then, has a
sanction iiulepcndcnt of the Church ; the (prophetical) tradition
has none. Therefore, when asked why I make a distinction
between the word written and unwritten, I answer that, first,
on the face of the matter, the Scriptures came with a claim;



124 John I It'll ry Xeivman 1835

tradition does not. By-thc-byo, I am surprised more and
more to see how the Fathers insist o/i //ic Scriptures as the
Rule of Faith, even in proving tlie most subtle parts of the
doctrine of the Incarnation. As to Vincentius Lirinensis, he
starts by making tradition only interpretation.

The tracts are defunct, or in extremis. Pdvington has



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