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written to say they do not answer. Pusey has written one on
Baptism very good, of ninety pages, which is to be printed at
his risk. That, and one or two to finish the imperfect series
(on particular sul)jects) will conclude the whole. I am not
sorry, as I am tired of being editor.

Palmer will finish his work in two volumes l)y the spring.
It is to be a book of Laic — that is, the rules of the Church, with
proofs, answers to objections, examples, cases of casuistry, &:c. ;
in fact, one of the very things we want. Keble is going to
introduce into his own Prolegomena a sketch of Hooker's
doctrine, which will do the same service in another way. It
would be much if we could cram all our men in one and the
same way of talking on various points, e.g. what the Church
holds about heretical baptism, about ordination before baptism,
about the power of bishops, &c. [N.B. — See my preface to
' Prophetical Office.']

This is a strong point of Romanism ; they have their system
so well up. A Mr. Maguire, a Roman priest, dined with us
the other day, who was an instance of this, and it astonished
people so. . . . What disgusted us in Mr. Maguire was his
defending not only O'Connell, but Hume. In fact, I suppose
he does not see the difference between the dog and the hog,
and we are but dogs in his eyes.

As to our prospects, I expect nothing favourable for fifteen
or twenty years ; that is, ive shall perchance grow, but it will be
a while before three hundred men lap water Avitli their
tongues.

Rev. R. F. Wilson to Rev. J. H. Newman.

August 12, 1835.

Thank you very much for your last gratifying and satis-
factory letter. Rogers has been with me for a few days, to mj



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great satisfaction. Pieally I ought to be very thankful that
my inconvenience [X.B. the weakness of his eyes] is so
sU<?ht compared with his. I fear 1 should not bear it with
such a cheerful unpretending patience as he does. Though a
very cheerful, he is no liglit companion. He has left so many
of what Acland would call * views ' as quite to bewilder our crass
wits unsharpened to scholastic subtleties. If my friendship
with him had been shorter than it is, I should wonder at the
quantity of matter he seems to collect and digest, though
unable to read. But I have ever remarked he is one of the
shrewdest listeners I ever saw. His countenance will tell you
that, wherever interesting conversation is going on about him.
Among other things he assured me you are not bored by
receiving letters, when not unnecessarily pressed for answers.
I considered you in some sort as forming the centre of a
system of certain opinions and men ; and to know the one
.and communicate the others, there must be intercourse of some
.sort. Supposing there was an order in Oxford for a few
martyrs, how could you tell whom to summon as a fit subject
for the faggot or the block, unless you had some notion of
our present bodily adaptation for the difterent exhibitions ?
Again, in case of a call for a tournament with some fiery

-ecclesiastic, how could you tell whether D still retained

his jackboots and good broadsword, or whether long inaction
had not disqualified him for adventuring such a forlorn
hope ?

... I am afraid that one object which I should be anxious
to accomplish there [in Oxford] cannot be effected. I mean
the seeing and being made acquainted with Keble. llogi^rs tells
me he is about to move shortly to a living in Hampshire. I
wish Keble's was a parish to need a curate and that he would
take me. That might be even better for me than if I had
been a Fellow of Oriel.

There was one piece of information which Rogers gave me,
.about which I must say a word. He seemed to think that
you were doing more than your strength would bear. Now,
excuse me, my dear Newman, I would not willingly say that
which is unbecoming in this matter, but let me make one



126 I ohiL IJcnry iVczunian 1835

remark. You occupy at present an important position (how
or why is another consideration), you arc looked to as a point
of union by many whom it might be difficult to bring into
cordial co-operation without you. You know how many little
circumstances are required to bring about any cordial union
among men widely scattered, or upon the same spot, when
there is no point of centralisation. Do not, therefore, run any
great risk of incapacitating yourself for promoting those views
which you yourself entertain, by pressing things forward, the
effect and benefit of which upon the minds of others must at
best be doubtful and slow. ' Festina lente ' is a good motto
for those who look towards great and important ends.

Eev. J. H. Newman to Eev. E. H. Froude.

Aufjust 23, 1835.

I am sick of expecting a letter ; for the last week I have
every day made sure of one, and been disappointed. I cannot
help fearing you are not well.

The more I read of Athanasius, Theodoret, &c., the more
I see that the ancients did make the Scriptures the basis of
their belief. The only question is, would they have done so
in another point beside the OsoXoyta, &c., which happened in
the early ages to be in discussion '? I incline to say the Creed
is the faith necessary to salvation, as well as to Church
communion, and to maintain that Scripture, according to the
Fathers, is the authentic record and document of this faith.
It surely is reasonable that ' necessary to salvation ' should
apply to the Baptismal Creed : ' In the name of,' &c. {vid. He
who belie veth &c.). Now the Apostles' Creed is nothing but
this ; for the Holy Catholic Church, &c. [in it] are but the
medium through which God comes to us. Now this OsoXoyla^
I say, the Fathers do certainly rest on Scripture, as upon two
tables of stone. I am surprised more and more to see how
entirely they fall into Hawkins's theory even in set words, that
Scripture proves and the Church teaches. I believe it would
be extremely difficult to show that tradition is ever considered
by them (in matters of faith) more than interpretative of



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Scripture, It seems that when a heresy rose tlicy said at
once * That is not according to the Church's teaching,' i.e. they
decided it by iha imejudiciam [N.B. prescrijDtion] of authority.
Again, when tliey met together in council they brought the
witness of tradition as a matter of fact, but wlien they
discussed the matter in council, cleared their views, &c., proved
their power, they always went to Scripture alone. They never
said ' It must be so and so, because St. Cyprian says this,
St. Clement explains in his third book of the " Pfedagogue," (fee.'
and with reason ; for the Fathers are a witness only as one voice,
not in individual instances, or, much less, isolated passa'^es, but
every word of Scripture is inspired and available.

I must (so be it) come down to you before vacation ends,
to get some light struck out by collision.

Did I tell you that I have prevailed on Keblc to pubHsh
about a dozen of University Sermons ?

Froudc in his p^nswer to this letter argues as follows :



PiEV. E. II. Froude to Eev. J. H. Newman-.

. . . You lug in the Apostles' Creed and talk about
expansions. What is the end of expansions ? Will not the
Romanists say that their whole system is an expansion
of the Holy Catholic Church and the Communion of
Saints '?

F. lloGERs, Esq., to Eev. J. H. Newjiax,

August 2;, 1835.

I want much to hear a little about Froude and yourself.
I hear rumours of a visit of Dr. Wiseman to Oxford. What
has become, or what is going to become, of that ?

I went to visit W. lately. He acquires a certain weight
and respectal)ility by being rather tlie organ of the Oxford
High Church party. . . .

We dined with his Eector, and I can much more realise to
myself a Eadical yOos than I ever could before. 1 never
before was treated absolutely like nothing. W. was rather



128 [ohn Ilcjuy A'civinan 1805

better off; Init any remarks I made (which were few) were
honoured with that short, civil, final answer which makes
rejoinder out of tlie question : W., he, and myself, being
the only three persons at table. Accordingly I came home,
thinking him without exception the greatest prig I had ever
had the honour of being despised by. I trust he is not a
specimen of a class. [N.B. — This is the very reason wliy I
have extracted this ; because he was a specimen of a class.
I fell in with him once, and can quite understand the above
description of him.— J. H. X.]

Do you know that Aclaiul's friend Sterling is the man who
told W. at Bonn that a new Arminian party was springing up
in Oxford, who held Laud's doctrines of Church government,
and would inevitably destroy the Church if they gamed
power.

How did you get on with him and Trench ? and what is
your judgment of the Cambridge Neophytes on the whole ?
I hear Trench was much struck b}^ the truth of your saying
that/t'flr was what Cambridge wanted.

By the way, is not Interpretation of Scripture a subject
which you ought to take up ? It seems to me that neological
interpretation is pretty much in the place where Locke's
toleration system was, when he brought it out, or sooner.
You have with you on that point people's preconceived
opinions ; and soon, unless prevented, I should have fancied
that intellectual people, and consequently more or less the
mass of candid people, would have got semi-neological habits
of viewing things, which, I suppose, would leave you nothing
to build a Church system on. Is not the impressing right
canons of interpretation likely to furnish soon the surest
check, if not turn, to march of mind ? And will not every
year add to the difficulty of impressing them on well-meaning
nnthinking persons ?

I have been excessively amused by seeing parts of 3'our
letter to the Abbe [N.B. Jager]. I cannot say how much I
laughed. I did not read any of the real controversial
part. . . .



1835 Letters and Coryespondence 129

Key. J. IL Xkwman to his Aunt Mrs. Elizabeth Newman.

( hid CoUeiic : AKQuat 1H35.

;My dial' Aunt, — I am always reproaching myself that I
do not write to you, but every day brings its own business,
and I have so many letters of business to write as to find time
for none else. And then, you see, icritinr/ is my employment.
I scarcely have the pen out of my hand for half an hour
together, except at meals and walking, whereas writing is a
recreation in many professions. . .

At present I am busied with examining points of doctrine
connected with the subject of my book on the Arians, which
carries me forward into a very large field of reading, princi-
pally in the Fathers. The immediate object to which I am
making this subservient is to an edition of the fragments of
St. Dionysius, Bishop of Alexandria, in the middle of the
third century. But I have far graver objects in view. I
mean, one must expect a flood of scepticism on the most im-
portant subjects to pour over the land, and we are so unpre-
pared, it is quite frightful to tlnnk of it. The most rehgiously-
minded men are ready to give up important doctrhial truths
because they do not iiiKhrstaiid their ralae. A cry is raised
that the Creeds are unnecessarily minute, and even those who
Avould defend, through ignorance cannot. Thus, <>.//., Sabelli-
anisni has been spreading of late years, chiefly because i)eoplo
have said * What is the harm of Sabellianism ? It is a mere
name,' S:c. I am sorry to say that the editor of Mrs. Flore's
letters has been ill advised en<jugli to allow letters to appear
in which she, in the freedom of private correspondence, speaks
slightingly of the Constantinopolitan Fathers (who comi)osod
the Xicene Creed, as we now use it). Well, what is the conse-
quence ? We just now have a most serious and impressive
warning if we choose to avail ourselves of it. Boor Blanco
Wbite has turned Socinian, and written a book glorying in it.
Kow in the preface to this book he says : ' I have for some
time been a SalHllidn, but the veil is now removed from my
eyes, for I tind Sdhellianisnt is but Unitarianism in disguise.'

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130 y^^^'^ llcnry A'czuvian ]8.%

Now what would Mrs. More, or rather her editor, say on hearmg
this ? on seeing that her scoffing at the Creeds of the Church
had been a strengthening, so far as it went, of a system of
doctrine which ends in Unitarianism ? It is most melancholy
to think about. "What is most painful is that the clergy are
so utterly ignorant on the subject. AVe have no tJtcolofjical
education, and instead of profiting by the example of past times,
we attempt to decide the most intricate questions, whether of
doctrine or conduct, by our blind and erring reason.

In my present line of reading, then, I am doing what I can
to remedy this defect in myself, and (if so be) in some others.
And it is a very joyful thought which comes to me with a
great force of confidence to believe that, in doing so, I am one
out of the instruments which our gracious Lord is employing
vsith a purpose of good towards us. I mean that I believe
God has not (so I trust) abandoned this branch of His Church
which He has set up in England, and that, though for our
many sins He has brought us into captivity to an evil world,
and sons of Belial arc lords over us, yet from time to time
He sends us judges and deliverers as in the days of Gideon
and Barak. I do verily believe that some such movement is
now going on, and that the Philistines are to be smitten, and,
believing it, I rejoice to join myself to the army of rescue,
as one of those who lapped with the tongue when the rest
bowed down to drink. And in saying this I do not take any-
thing to myself personally, because Scripture has many warn-
ings to us that those need not be highest in God"s future
favour or fullest in grace who even are His chief instruments
here. Solomon's history is quite proof enough that the
builders of the Church are not necessarily His' truest servants,
though they are on the right side, but may be surpassed by
those who seem to do little towards the work. And Barak's
history gives us another lesson akin to it, which I think of
general application — ' The Lord delivered Sisera into the hand
of a woman ' — and surely it is the prayers of those who have
especial leisure for prayer which do the Church most service.
Do not, my dear Aunt, let us lose the benefit of your continual
I)rayers, as I am sure we do not, that God would be pleased



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for His dear Son's sake to make us useful to Him iu our
<lay, that we ma}' not lose or abuse our opportunities or gifts,
but may do the work ■which He means us to do, and that
manfully ; that we may have a sinfjle aim, a clear eye, and a
strong arm, and a courageous lieart, and may be blessed in-
wardly in our own souls, as well as prosper in the edification of
the Church. I am quite sure it is l)y prayers such as yours,
of those whom the world knows nothing of, that the Church is
saved, and I know I have them in particular, as you have
iilso mine, my dear Aunt, every morning and evening.

Ever yours atiectionately.

Eev. -J. IL Newman to his Mother.

Aiuiusi 28, ICS35.

I had a surprise last week. Mr. Stone's son called on me
to say that he wanted my leave for Mr. Perkins of Ch. Ch. to
marry him in my church, to a young woman of my parish.
On inquiry, I found it was the other Miss J., and in great
dismay 1 asked him if she was baptized, as I had asked about
the other last year. He said j/ih, Mr. Perkins himself had
Iniptized her at St. Clement's two or three days before. This
was as pleasant a relief as I ever had. The other sister, Mrs.
P., is soon to be baptized, if she is not by this time, and they
both are to be confirmed next week. This makes me think
Piogers right in saying he used to see Miss J. at my
AVednesday evening lecture this year, which I did not
believe.

PiEv. J. n. Newman to F. PiOoers, Esq.

Orhi C'iillitic : Aii(iiist t,o, 1S35.

. . . "We are expecting Dr. "Wiseman now, as his avant-
courier said he would come when September began. Tiic
said courier was a ^Ir. Maguire, a Poman Catholic priest of
the College of St. Edmund's, near Ware. . . . He would not
allow that Dr. Wiseman was desirous Sir P. Peel should
remain in power, which is what scmie one told me. He was on
his way to Mr. Stonor. 1 can fancy we shall be honoured with



132 John Ilcui'y Xcicniau l83o

the peculiar hatred of these people, if we are ever in a con-
dition to show fight. I see in liim the very same spirit I saw
in Dr. Wiseman, the spirit of the cruel Church. I helieve he
would willingly annihilate the English Church. Keble and I
puzzled him ; whether we enlightened him, I doubt.

Mr. Sterling had a tcte-a-tete of three hours with Keble
and me. We got on most famousl}'. He hoped to see us at his
house, &c.; confessed he has heard my opinions exaggerated.

Dionysius is nearly done — i.e. as far as it can be till I read
more. I have used up all the documents on the Apollinarian
Controversy, and have written an account of it with references.
And I think of going to the Yalentinian Heresy next. Already
it has thrown some light (in my own opinion) on the question
of the Ecthesis, &c.

I am at present proceeding with the Abbe, and have
cleared up my own ideas on the subject much. This, indeed,
is my only recompense ; for I do not for an instant expect the
Abbe will ever give me fair play. I hope this is a recompense,
for I have little to show this vacation in point of work done.
The time seems to have slipped away in a dream. Perhaps
it would be as well to go down to Froude, were it only to
adjust my notions to his. Dear fellow, long as I have
anticipated what I suppose must come, I feel quite raw and
unprepared. I suppose one ought to get as much as one can
from him, diim licet.

It is a curious thing that your notion about canons of
Scripture interpretation has been running in my head, and
in my second volume of Sermons I attempted indirectly to-
give rules for it : e.g. sermon for Epiphany, St. Philip and
St. James, &c. And the other day I had a letter thanking
me (you need not tell this) for the second volume on tliis very
groand, that it put Scripture quite in a new light. Also, it
was my object in my Wednesday lectures this year. How-
ever, when I talk with you, I shall see how far I have got
your meaning — which I am not certain I have in full. Eun
down to H. Wilberforce (Harrison is going) and I will meet
you there. I dare say there is a farmhouse near, where we
can lodge. Think of this, and write to Harrison about it.



Isiili Letters and Coj'respondenec 133

Eev. B. Harrison to Rev. J. 11. Newman.

Septcmhrr 3, 1835.

I called at the Stamp Office on Monday and saw Bowden.
He tells me that Bivington gives up the tracts after next
month. Have you settled what is to be done ? Is it not a
pity to give thorn up '? They seem to supply a channel of
communication, by a s^'stem of pipes let on, with many holes
and corners, along which gas, or what not, may be laid as
occasion requires. Or are the pipes unhappily few ? Could
you not strengthen them by a little more oriiiiiuiUtij '?

Boss wants books like Knox, Jacob Abbott, kc, discussed
in the Magazine. I suppose you will not do anything of the
kind till the Tluohuiical that is to be comes out. . . .

. . . Busey read Knox very attentive!}-, I know.

Bev. E. B. Busey, B.D., to Bev. J. H. Newman.

St'jjtojihcr 4, 1835.

Many thanks for thinking about me as to the early
monasteries. 1 had hoped ere this to have been able to have
read something about them, but the vacation is now nearly
past ; so all I can do is to keep clear, of the subject. There
is, however, one point for you to clear, as it leads to much
depreciation of them, and, if well founded, rightly : viz. they
are thought to have neglcL'ted the means of grace. Is there
any notice of their l)eiiig able in their solitudes to obtain
them ?

My first thought about the tracts was, ' Weil, if they arc
brought to an end Ijy outward means out of our control,
Newman will have time for more solid productions ' (this I
wrote to you). My second, regret that they must be given
up, and a sort of feeling that their being protracted by means
of my ' Baptism " tract beyond what wv. intended or wislicd,
80 as just to till up the renuiinder of this year, was inlLiidcd
to give us a breathing timi', and yet eiuible us to carry tlu'm
on, Tlu'V were lengtlu'iied out against our will, so that we
could not break them oil" when we would.



134 fo/iu //any Nci>.nnau is.'i.j.

Then, again, seeing that it would be a rehef to you ta
suspend them for awhile, I thought, perhaps, that they might
have done their work, and they might be resumed less offen-
sively under another name : I.e. that we might gently let
down the persons who have ignorantly declared against them.
But I fear those persons have too far committed themselves,
and are too ingrained with moderatism ; and being older than
ourselves, and some vain and accustomed to rule, they are the
less likely to give way ; and our society may very probably,
and, in proportion as it has any influence, will, I suppose,
be more obnoxious than the tracts.

Again, it is an object to follow up the blow. "What think
you of continuing the tracts, not binding yourself to monthly
productions (which is worrying) nor again to quarterly (which
might require too long ones), but producing them on the first
of several months ; if read}^ well — if not to wait for the next ?
You might take the advantage, I mean, of Eivington's monthly
circulation, when yon had anything ready, and when not, not
fash yourself about it.

Something to stem the tide of the American Dissenting
divinity would be very useful. You need not bind yourself
to produce a volume in 1836, or that the volume should be of
a certain thickness.

I mean, in my preface, to enter a protest against Mr. S.'s-
[Mr. Stanley, afterwards Bishop of Norwich] quotation and
characterisation of the ' tracts,' ko,. I should like to see the
jjamphlet.

Eivington has just begun printing m}^ notes [to Baptism ?]
in earnest : so I suppose he means to bring them out in
February.

A Christian newspaper has long been a desideratum of
mine. Neither the ' Standard ' nor ' Record ' is this. "With
the ' Standard ' an Established is an Orthodox Church. . . .

I think the tracts are very valuable as a rallying point.
It keeps people in check to know that such opinions are held.*
They have a half-consciousness that they are true, or likely

' The correspondence of this time contains protests from all Mr. Newman's
allies against gi\ ing up the tracts.



1835 Lett CVS and Con'cspondcncc 135

to be so, and they cannot follow their own inclinations to sink
down the stream peacefully as they would if there were no
such bars. The leap is so nnicli longer, and in proportion the
more dangerous ; and there may be from time to time some
who will pause and examine whither we are all going.



Pii:v. W. H. Froude to PiEv. J. IT. Xewmax.

September 4, 1835.

. . . The tracts in their new form (if it is gone on with as
Kel)le hopes) may become a sort of Apostolical review. There

is no getting at them in any possible way. was dowji

here giving out the dictum that before long every one will be
compelled to take Arnold's ground, who will not go all lengths
with us ; for that there is no tenable medium. ... I should
not wonder if all Arnold's attacks on the priesthood, &c.,
made more converts to it than not.

TiKV. S. PiICKARDS TO PiEV. J. H. XeWMAN.

Srjifojiher 9, I S3 5,

I have written a tract upon Infant Baptism, the great
subject to which the state of our neighbourhood calls one's
attention. If it be w-anted, and likely to serve the i)uri)ose, 1
should rather have it among the series [' Tracts for the Times ']
than by itself. In reading those of the tracts which 1 have,
it has struck me that there is too close a resemblance between
the titles of many of them, and that a larger range of sub-
ject would not at all shut out recurrence to the same great
points again and again.

I actually found that one of the leading clergymen in
Norfolk had formed a joint school with the Dissenters under
the express condition that lie should give \\p the Church
Catechism. He acknowledged it to be quite true, and perhaps
not to l)e defended ; but he neither expressed sorrow for what
he had done, nor professed any intention of retracting it.



1 36 JoJni I loiry Nczvnian 1835

PiEV. J. H. Newman to Kkv. R, H. Froude.

September 10, 1835,

I propose coming to you next week. Besides looking over



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