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sermons, I want to read you what I have written to the
Ahbe and to get up the controversy between Bossuet and
Wake, and to write an essay against Erskine, Chalmers, Knox,
B. White, &c., on the sul)jeet of Objective Eeligion.

We mean the tracts should formally take up the Popish
question. If you saw my ' Home Thoughts,' No. 2 (not that
there is much in it), you would understand my line very
completely. The great principle is this, that one cannot go
across country and make short cuts ; you must go along the
road. The said ' Home Thoughts ' is to appear directly
Eose finds room. I wish as much as you that Bose
w'ere unshackled ; but recollect he has two unanimous
masters, and that Bia and Kpuros could bend Prometheus
himself.

Keble is delighted with Pusey's tract on Baptism.



Eev. E. H. Feoude to Eev. J. H. Neavmax.

September 12, 1835.

We shall be ready for you whenever you come. and

a young doctor called Hinkson, who has paid much attention
to the stethoscope, examined my chest all over ; and they both
told my father they never examined a chest in which
there was more complete freedom from bad symptoms. Yet
they say the disorder in my throat is dangerous unless
stopped. Dr. Yonge is decided that I am not to go abroad
this winter. [On September 1 5 I got to Dartington. I left
and took my last farewell of E. H. F. on Sunday, October 11,
in the evening, sleeping at Exeter. When I took leave of
him, his face lighted up and almost shone in the darkness,
as if to say that in this world we were parting for ever.
— .T. H. N.]



1835 Letters and Cor7'cspondence 137

Eev. Pi. F. "Wilson to Eev. J. H, Newman.

Si'ptcmher 23, 1835.

If you would deduct a little from your fxejaXoyfrvxia, you
would understand my remark which you ingeniously interpret
of your "Wednesday lectures. I spoke of your overdoiuf;
your bodily powers b}' too close mental application, without
expressing an opinion whether the matter on which that
application was bestowed, or the particular manner of its
bestowal in itself, was or was not desirable. So you need
neither go to Hooker nor to Pusey to resolve the difficulty
which I have occasioned you.

A letter of Mr. Newman's, dated October 10, says in a
postscript, ' "Wilson of Bocking is going to be curate to Keble,
whose marriage is soon to take place.'

PiEV. J. H. New:\ian to his Sister Harriett.

OctnJter ro, 1835.

. . . Piationalism is the attempt to know hoic things are
about which you can know nothing. "When we give reasons
for alleged facts and reduce them into dependence on each
other, we feel a satisfaction which is wanting when we receive
them as isolated and unaccountable, i.e. a satisfaction of the
reason. On the other hand, when they stand unaccounted
for, they impart a satisfaction of their own kind — namely, of
the imagination. ^Vllen we ask for reasons when we should
not, we rationalise. When we detach and isolate things which
we should connect, we are superstitious.

Eev. J. H, Newman to J. W. ]3owdkn, Esq.

J)(irtin(iton : Oetolier lO, 1835.

T am (jiiile decided that 1 cannot l)c editor of the tracts if
they come out once a month, nor would I reconnnend any ono
else to be. It is the way to make them mere trasJi. One is
pressed for time, and writes for the occasion stopgaps, I am



138 I o/ni Henry Xcioiiian 1835'

conscious there are some stopf^aps in the tracts already. . . .
"We shall lie losing credit and influence if we so go on. As I
was strongly for short tracts on beginning, so am I for longer
now. We nmst have much more treatises than sketches. I
say all this from experience. As to how often, whether
quarterly or on certain seasons, I have no view at present ;
but I foretell ruin to the cause if the tracts go on by monthly
driblets. ...

Again :

October 28, 1835.

As to the tracts, I am quite undecided about their subjects
till Pusey returns. He and Keble both being away puts
everything wrong. My own difficulty about the Popery series
is the arduousness of the subject, requiring as it does a
profound knowledge of historical facts.

PiEV. .J. H. Newsman to F. PiOgers, Esq.
Southampton: Thursday morninr/, Octoher 15, 1835.

I have just got here from Lyndhurst and find the Oxford
coach full. Nothing therefore is left for me but to go up to
London and try to get to Oxford in that way. Be so good as
to make my excuses to ' College ' for my non-appearance : it is
the first time (I believe) I ever was away any day of an
Audit (except when abroad) since I have been Fellow. I trust
I shall be with you to-morrow.

Were not this so villainous a pen, I would try to add
something to this. Dear Froude is pretty well, but is
languishing for want of his Oxford contuliernians. I trust I
have been of use in this way in stimulating his spirits. So
strongly do I feel this from what I see and hear of him, that
I mean almost to make myself responsible for some intimate
going down to him at Christmas. He is allowed to read now,
which is a great comfort. I am to send him a lot of books.
It is wonderful, almost mysterious, that he should remain so
long just afloat ; and as far as it is mysterious, it is hopeful —
really it would seem as if he were kept alive by the uplifted



183.J Lctlci's and Co7-}'c span deuce 139

hands of Moses, which is an cncour;i«j;omcnt to persevere.
However, so be it.

I liave just parted with H. [H. W.], with wliom I have'
been for two days. I met W. under his roof, who carries on
him, amiable as I dare say he is, the impress of a man who
has risen in the world ; which thing is impossible in a man
who has ever walked the air, and is lofty-minded. M. N.
out-herods him, and is in manner a strange specimen of
donnishness grafted on ' spiritual-mindedness.' Alas ! but it is
a shame so to talk. The ]3ishoii was exceedingly civil, and
hoped I would call at if I came that way.

Also I have been several days in houses with the Bishop of
Exeter, who was exceedingly gracious, and begged to see me,
or rather hoped it, at the Palace. Thus you see, on the
whole, I have been in good society.

Valcan, carissinw ; best love to Christie and the rest.

The following letter illustrates the freedom, and even
coolness, with which Mr. Newman's friends could enter upon
what sensitive authors might consider delicate ^rround :



PiKv. Pi. F. Wilson to Pii:v. T. PI. Xew.aiax.

October 21, 1835.

As all your part in the proposed arrangement between
Keble and me is now complete, I must thank you most
heartily for the kind interest you have shown in l)ringing
about this (for me) most desirable change. I liardly like
even now to speak of it as certain. Indeed, until I have
fairly taken possession, I shall not feel (piite at case.

Piogers tells me you arc about to put forth a third volunn;
of Sermons. You will not iniinl my saying that I am rather
sorry for it, not for your sake nor for my sake, ])ut for the
sake of the i)rinciples which they will contain. What I nu^an is
this: that I do not like there should bo appearance that the
principles which j-ou profess should seem only developable
under one form. Therefore I should have been alad if



140 Jolui Ifcnry Newman 183.>

another holding the same opinions had pubhshcd a volume,
and not you, that it might be seen how these same principles
admit of variations in the filling up, mode of application, &c.
ttc., according as minds of a different order and constitution
receive and apply them to practical subjects. . . .

Eev. J. H. Newman to Eev. E. H. Froude.

Oriel: St. Luke's Day, 1835.

I did not arrive here till yesterday morning, to the great
consternation of the College [_i.e. the Provost. — J. H. N.] ; which,
as in A. Buller's case, misses those most who are most regular.^
The coaches were full, so I have been obliged to come round
by London, and, having business there, I did not regret it.
Plivington will publish a third volume ; and, please will you
manage to get for me your father's leave to dedicate it in a
few words to him ?

Keble was married on the loth and told no one. 'The
College ' [the Provost] has but heard from him that he resir/yis
his feUou-sltip on that day without a year of grace.

I engage to undertake and pledge myself to provide a
visitor for you next Christmas. Piogers or Mozley [Tom
Mozley] or "Williams. But if no one comes I will come
myself, which would be too great a pleasure, for I cannot put
into words, or rather I do not realise to myself, how much
the genius loci of Dartington Parsonage draws. I could be
very foolish did I allow myself. All my own reminiscences of
the place are sad, and I am almost debarred from them ; and
I seem to have no right ' cdienii/oui ' to intrude elsewhere.

[N.B. — This feeling is expressed in the verses I wrote on
my first visit to Dartington in 1831.

There stray'd aAvliile amid the woods of Dart.-

P.S. — I have never seen Dartington since I saw Hurrell
there.]

The following letter from Froude contains a passage quoted
in the * Apologia.'

' See Bcininisccnccs of Oriel, vol. ii. p. 121. ' Vol. i. p. 243.



183.5 Letters and Correspondent c 141

PiEv. R. H. Froupe to Ekv. J. H. Newman.

1835, D'las Omninni Sanctorum. — After all this delay I
write without being able to report progress ; l)ut don't be hard
upon me. I have been up to little more than thinking in
my armchair or listening to a novel.

By dawdling over Blanco White's books, I think I have
got more insight into his state of mind and views than I had
at first, and shall be able to make great aUowance for much
that he says without any affectation of candour. . . . As to
Sabellianism and facts, I fear you have been unable to cram me
with your views. Your ' Arians ' shows in a few lines what
Blanco White declares that Sabellianism is — only Crypto-
Socinianism, but how to say more about it I know not.

Don't be conceited if I tell you how much you are missed
here in many quarters. Now you are gone I clearly see that
a step has been gained. Even I come in for my share of the
benefit in finding myself partially extricated from an unenvi-
able position hitherto occupied b}' me — that of a prophet in
his own country. . . .

Before I finish I must enter another protest against your
cursing and swearing at the end of the first ' Via ]Media ' as you
do. What good can it do ? I call it uncharitable to an
excess. How mistaken we may ourselves be on many points
that are only gradually opening on us ! Surely we should re-
serve ' blasphemous ' and ' impious ' for denials of the articles of
the faith. [N.B. Here I find one illustration among a thousand
of the meaning of my saying in the passage which Stanley,
Faber, Whatoly, &c., have made so much of in my retracta-
tion in 1843, 'While I keep to our divines, I am safe, v\:c.'
TJtat was the answer I should make to such protests as this
of Froude's.— J. H. N.]

Eev. B. H. Froude to Bev. J. 11. Newman.

Xnrriiilicr i 5, i S35.

I was in a particularly do-nothing way the day 1 got your
letter. I don't know whether vou know the sensation of a



142 / olni lUiiry Newman 1835

l^iilsc above 100. If you do, I tliink you will admit it not
to be favourable to mental exertion. So you see I can't
count on myself or make promises, and wish much I was not
committed at all. As to the review of Blanco White, it is
an amusement to me, for which I am grateful to you ; but
being tied up about time, correcting the proofs, &c., are my
bothers. I may, indeed, be up to businesslike work soon,
and I hope I shall, but I am no prophet. So I have almost
a mind to tell Boone ' that I will let it stand over till the
next.

Eev. J. Keble to Kev. J. H. Newman.

Noi-ri)iJ)('r 15, 1835.

As to my undertaking the tracts for the next year, I really
•must consider it a little more seriously than I have done
before I engage to do so. I see many and great objections
(I don't mean discomforts to myself, but disadvantages to the
cause) and no sufficient advantage to outweigh them. If
you want an immediate answer, it must be in the negative ; if
not, we will consider it all over and over, when I como up
to lecture. It must be either on the ist or 8th of December.

John [F. Christie] is becoming, I hope, tolerably comfort-
able and tame at Hursley. I fear it was rather dismal for
him at first. I expect Wilson some day this week.

The parish is for the most part quite unlike Bisley, rather
settled on the lees, and I foresee that it would be an extreme
uphill business to get up any right notion of Fridays there.
If that could be accomplished, they are not, perhaps, ill dis-
posed towards many other parts of the system : but Christie
can tell you more about this than I can.

Whoever has the tracts, by all means let us have some
circulars with mstructions, how to deal with booksellers to pro-
cure something like agency in distributing them. We are
lodging in the house of a Tory bookseller who has many
symptoms of being a real good fellow.

As to a paper at your Society, I want to get Hooker clear
out of hand before I engage on anything else.

' Then editor of the British Critic.



183.J Letters and Corrcspojidcjicc 143

B3 - tliG-bye, ^Ylly should not Piisey be editor of tlie tracts '?
If you give up, surely on every account he is the fittest per-
son. As far as I can judge, I very much approve of their
being anti-llomanist this year : but Avhether in that case I
can be of much use in them, is another thing. I must read
hard to be so.



Rev. J. H. Xi:\vmax to JIkv. \\. ]{. Fkoudk.

XorcDiJirr I", I S3 5.

li. "Wiliiains, uho went away last night, and is a very good
fellow, gave me the frank before I knew of your change of place.
liogers talked of coming to you December 13 or 14.

I shall w^'itc to Boone to-night to tell him that you think
you could not get the article done in time for January. I
will take it through the press if you will trust me. I)o not
fuss 3'ourself or think yourself ^j/r^rJ.

Benison is going to give up the tuition at Christmas. He
has been five years tutor ! He professes one especial reason
has been his disgust at finding men trill take private tutors.
You recollect this was the very reason for our system, which
I put on paper for the Provost before our controversy ; the re-
markable thing is that our view should have been proved to be
correct in so short a time. Is it not remarkable that Denison,
clever and popular man as he is, has not (jot for the Colh'nc one
^rst class ? They say Utterton is soon to have one, but he is a
private pupil of Bogers's — the old succession.

Keble was thrown from his horse, and broke a small bone
in his shoulder, but is better. He will not be editor of the
tracts. "What we think of doing now is to make our centres
sell only the existing ones, and sus])end operations for awhile,
if not sine die.

]\[. Bunsen has pronounced upon our views, gathered
from the ' Arians '(!), with singular vehemence. He says that,
if we succeed, we shall be introducing Bopery without
authority. Protestantism without liberty, Catholicism without
universality, and I'jvangelism without spirituality. In the
greater part of which censure doubtless you agree.



144 folui Henry Nczoniaii 1835

Wilson has sent rac an extract from Mr. Peter Hall's
Church Reform book : where he speaks of the Oxford Tracts
as being, with the 'British Magazine,' the organs of the
* carnal and worldly part of the Church,' who desire nothing
but the loaves and fishes, and hate nothing so much as the
Articles.

The Theological [meeting] commenced last week, Pusey
reading a paper on the general subject. I follow on Friday
next, with the * Piule of Faith,' which I read you.

The Duke has sent down a letter to the Heads, saying we
must either explain our Subscription or postpone our enforcing
it to the B.A. degree, &c., and advising the Heads to carry it
through at whatever trouble or risk. Xe ille 7ws non intellir/it.
The Heads have expressed and (it is said) written back their
opinion that this is impossible. Phillpotts hindered his voting
against us the past session only l)y rowing him and putting
him in a passion, and, I suppose, by promising something
should be done by next year (all this in confidence) . Pusey and
Co. have maintained a dignified position. They see no ob-
jection to the principle of an explanation, only wait to see it
l)roduced.

Eev. J. F. Christie to Piev. J. H. Newman.

Deceinher 3, 1835.

I rather think you may expect to be introduced to Mrs. Keble
next week. Their house will not be ready for them till the
latter end of it, by which time I suppose Keble will be vicar of
Hursley. He ventured to have service in St. Andrew's, and
has also indirectly informed people from his pulpit that he
intends to have daily morning and evening service. Folks
are rather astonished, I believe, but I expect he will have a
larger congregation than yourself. Golightly will be shocked
to hear that he gave but too much countenance to prayers for
the dead in the same sermon ; though he did not say that the
wickedness of the Reformation times made the custom to be
disused, as I hear some one else did.

Claughton has informed me of the result of the Balliol



1835 Letters and Coyrcspo)idcncc 145

election, and of the classes. Poor Oriel! I mean, as to the
latter. As for Balliol, I confess I had some sort of lingering;
hope that James Mozlcy might astonish them, and his essay
reconcile Jenkj'ns to the indignity of a third class. . . .

Eev. Pi. H. FnouDE TO Eev. J. 11. Newman.

Dcccmhcr 10, 1S35.

In the last five days I have written forty of the enclosed
sixty-three pages. If the humour lasts I may do the rest in
ajitfy. I have spent a week with Dr. Yonge. . . . I beheve
my other symptoms are what they were, neither bettor nor
worse. Dr. Yonge was not satisfied with the effect of steel,
and changed it for I know not what, three days ago, since
which I am decidedly stronger. But the Bishop of Llandaff
Jias irarned us against confounding succession with ((insafioit.
If Eogers will bring my Breviary I shall be obliged. I shall
be delighted if Mozley comes with him. They will meet
Wilson, though but for a day.

PiEv. Pi. F. Wilson to Pev. J. H. Xew:\iax.

iJccciuhcy 19, 1835.

It was a great pleasure to me to meet poor Froude, though
he looks sadly, and, without any abatement of those symptoms
which must make his friends most anxious about liim, appears
weaker a great deal than when he was in Oxford. To me he
was a more interesting person than ever, because I find that
his i)eculiar way of thinking and maimer of expressing himself,
wliich I thought might only Iteloug to liini in liealth and
strength, continue just the same. 1 saw also liogers there for
a day.

1 wish 1 had Wood's power of arranging and divithiig, and
then I should have a chance of giving you in some order, wliat
at present must come haphazard. I was not startled at all
at Keble's way of going oii, so far as that phrase means any
reference to things to be done or lines of conduct. But so far
as it may mean talking 1 was startled, and for this reason : I

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146 lolni Ifciiry Ncioman 18'i;";

knew as a fact that 1 ^Yas a stranger to Keble ; I also felt
strange and embarrassed with hmi. It was contmually
crossing me, ' Am 1 sufticiently acquainted with Keble to be
admitted to opinions which I should feel disinclined pro-
miscuously to report ? ' Does he, then, talk to any who come
across him thus, or has he been told that I am shilly-
shally, halting and vacillating, and therefore administers a
kind of test to try my capabilities ? This last seemed to me
most probable, and therefore I responded by freely expressing
my hesitation, ignorance, difficulty, probably disagreement
also, wherever I thought they would tend to throw light on
what he was perhaps anxious to know. And this brings me to
account for my use of the word ' embarrassed ' above. Ever
since he first wrote to me I have had a strong conviction that
you, in your kind readiness to jDromote my advantage and
comfort, have not been fair towards Keble, If you had told
him all you felt, he would not have written as he did, nor in.
consequence made me feel like an overrated article palmed
upon him, which upon first inspection he would find out, and
whose real quality, I say it honestly, I wished him to find out
at once. Looking at myself, I do not swerve an inch from my
original satisfaction ; thinking of him, my spirit rather sinks.
I should gladly have said somewhat here about the class of
persons who go further when not asked than when asked ; but
perliaps you would misunderstand me, as I regret to say you
seem sometimes to do in my letters. It hurts me that you
should treat me as if you thought me touchy, and indeed, so far
as you are concerned, I do not think I deserve it. Why should
you talk of feeling delicate towards me, as if I required the
gentle handling which is used with frail goods under glass cases'?
However, though I do not write here of the idiosyncrasies which
you suspect in me, I should be glad to talk with you on the
subject. Moreover ]Mr. Norris is anxious to make your
acquaintance. Are you coming to London between Christmas
and the first week in January '? You say you have no secret
meaning, and, therefore, I have written as if there had been
no exception, or rather objection, taken against me by Keble,
and have only spoken of myself and my feelings. I will



1835 Letters ami Coryespondeuce 147

answer for not taking ill any hint yon might give me of any
disinclination on his part.



Rev. Ii. n. Froude to Eev. .). II. Xewman.

]}eamh>')- 21, 1835.

By Rogers's account things don't go exactly as they ought
at Oxford. Golius (Golightl}') has rebelled, he says, ard
Ben Harrison has jibl)ed ; and the Theological meetings go flat,
and old Mozley won't work. Harpsfield is the writer on the
Breviary services whose name I could not rcmemljer. Rogers
says that Sancta Clara is rich. Wilson, for your comfort, is
much less tender in the finger's end than he was last spring,
thougli I hear Keble does complain of his being rather
soft.

I very much wish to hear of your putting into execution
your plan of a campaign in London, and enlarging the basis
of operations.

In a letter from ]\Ir. Rogers to Mr. Newman, written from
Dartington, where according to Mr. Newman's arrangement
he was spending Christmas with Hurrell Fronde, mention is
made of Fronde's manner to his sister.

F. Rogers, Esq., to Rev. J. II. Newman.

I am excessively amused at the alternations of treatment
]\Iiss Froude is subject to from Hurrell and Mr. B. In
fact, I can hardly help being in a constant half-laughter when
anything is going on between Froude and his sister.

There is a note, added years after, by J. IT. N. to this
l)assagc, which surely may be given here when the lady's
brother (]\Ir. J. Anthony Froude) has indulged his own pen, in
his paper in 'Good Words,' March 1881, in dwelling with
such warmth of friendly feelmg on the character and person-
ality of the writer.



148 fo/iii I fcnry N'eiuman 1835

[N.B. — Mary Froude was one of the sweetest girls I ever
saw. She was at this time engaged to Mr. B. He used to
come witli a great consciousness of his situation, much
gravity, and great reverence for her. Hurrell, on the other
hand, treated his sister, in a good-humoured way, as a httle
child, calling her Poll, and sending her about on messages,
&c., to Mr. B.'s seeming scandal and distress. Mary Froude
all the while was the very picture of naturalness and simplicity,
receiving with equal readiness and equability the homage of
the one and the playful rudeness of the other. — J. H. N.]



Eev. J. H. Newman to Bev. B. H. Feoude.

Christmas Eve, 1835.

As to my drawing in my horns in the ' Arians,' I have
already told yourself, I think, that I must, i.e. as far as my
theory goes ; for I have already said that in fact the Fathers
did not deduce from Scripture, and the whole passage in the
' Disciplina ' is founded on the hypothesis of Apostolical tradi-
tion co-ordinate with Scripture.

Get a pamphlet written by the Be v. Edward Stanley of
Cheshire or Lancashire. [N.B. — Afterwards Bishop of Norwich.]
I have not seen it, but am told it will amuse you. It is wi-itten
to prove the propriety of coalescing with the Boman Catholics
— O'Connell, of course — and it alleges the similarity of their
Church and ours on the authority of the Oxford Tracts, &c.
See what a face Bogers is making.

As to our being out of joint here — no ! Golius [the Bev.
C. Portales Golightly — J. H. N.] would not goliare or yoXi^eLv,
i.e. be fiolius, unless he acted as he did. At present he goes



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