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about declaiming against my j^atronage of Clement of Alex-
andria [i.e. in the ' Arians ' in his saying that the wise man
■^evBcrai~\, my incaution, my strange sayings ; so very un-
satisfactory, such a pity, as hurting my influence, &c., which
is such as to take a keystone for an excrescence, and insist
on its removal. [N.B. — The best instance of this was my
dear Pusey's suggestion from his brother Philip, in 1841, that

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I hliould remove the last sentences of No. 90 as giving offence,
whereas it was the very plea on which, and on which onlv,
the tract was justifiable.]

As to the Theological, we only dread its working too rapidlv.
I hope it may fall off in numbers next term. Pusey talks of
having the meetings weekly, with the hope of reducing the
party. No, no ; we are doing well.

Eev. Pu J. "Wilson to Piev. J. II, Xi:\vman.

Decemhir 30, 1835.

I am very glad to think that you have fairly beaten mo
out of my impression as concerning Hursley. Of course, I
do not quite go along with you when you speak of my singular
ingenuity in discovering covert meanings which were never
thought of, and allusions wholly unintended.

Mr. Xorris told me the other day that he had sent you a
message by Copeland, inviting you to stay with him when
you come up ; so you sec his suspicions of tlie Oriel school
must be subsiding.

PiEv. J. 11. Xew^ to PiKv. Pi. H. Froude.

(hid: Jainuiri) T), 1836.

Happy new year to you and all of yours. What do you
think of nxy getting into odium in this place as the advocate
and agitator for self-supporting dispensaries? It is not in
ray line, but straws show how things are. I happened to be
in the chair as Ilural Dean in the absence of the Archdeacon,
and among the townsmen I figure in consequence as worrying
people with another crotchet. But it has opened a new view
to me. I suspect the Dissenters here are hating me with a
perfect hatred. I hear there is a large party of people who
abominate me, others speaking more favourably. I have
been told that I am a ' marked man ; there is no question of
it.' I am getthig callous. I believe all this would have made
me quite sick at one time, l>ut somehow I wag on sluggishly.
. . . Pose has written to me, but please keep everything

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about Kose quite secret (he would not like me to make free
with his name), protesting l)itterly against Hampden's Moral
Philosophy Lectures. He says they are worse than the
Bamptons, and says the University will surely rue its
indulgence some day. He is pressing me to go to London.
.1 am so perplexed for time that it quite fidgets me.

The Heads of Houses are much annoyed at our Theological
Society, and I have cold looks even from Wynter, Burton,
Jenkyns and Brydges.

P.S. — Mozley [T.] cannot come to you. He is oLliged to
leave Morton Pinkney. His brother is going to marry my
younger sister.

Eev, J. H. Newman to J. AV. Bowden, Esq.

Oriel College : Jannarji 10, 1836.

Since I wrote I have had so encouraging a letter from
PJvington about the sale of the first volume of tracts that I
almost determine to go on with them. The only question
is, the chance of doing something with the ' British Critic,'
which is a subject I will talk more about when I see you in

Did you see the description of a High Church clergyman
in the ' Standard ' the other day ? My thoughts at once went
to Pusey, as answering every point of it, especially the
corpulence (!) It is a sign we are somewhat growing when a
talk is made between ' Times ' and ' Standard.' I am told
the 'Piecord' in its summary of the year's events laments
the growth of High Church principles among those who might
have known (or who did know) better things. Does this
allude to such men as Mr. Dodsworth ?

Many thanks for your kind congratulations about my
sister, received yesterday, which I trust and fully Iielieve have
good grounds. . * . Of course those who have wives must be
as though they had none, and we know not what is to be.
But, even though trouble were to come on the nation, friendships
and affections are realities, and no worldl}' vicissitudes can
sweep them away, not even death itself.

1836 [.cttcrs and Correspondence


Eev. U. H. Froude to Iti;v. J. H. Newmax.

Jannarif 12, 1836.

I hope av'^/''/vo)ixr} mar be {^ranted to Piogcrs and me, ws
a,v6p(t}7roL9, if a sense of the jsXolov did for a moment overcome
us as to the Dispensary case.

The WeUiii^^fton Testimonial affair is really abominable,
especially as you cried out against it from the first as
doctrinaire, I have much less to say for vi if self, though I
believe / took it up solely out of compliment to Keble. But
it is too bad that the real culprits should have slipt their
heads out of the noose, and got snugly off to llursle}' [Keble]
and Duloe [OgilvieJ. Keble and Ogilvie are certainly the
jDersons whoso names ought to be put forward. As for
Ogilvie, it is just consistent with his other views ; and Keble,
in his capacity of poet, could bear the imputation of a little
■doctrinaireism more gracefully than most of his contem-
poraries. . . .

llogers leaves us on Thursday, having been the greatest of
acquisitions in the cyea of every one. ^Miat do you mean to
do with your Erskine and Jacob Abljott ?

Ekv. J. Kelle to Lev. J. H. Newman.

Janiiari/ 14, 183G.

I suppose Christie has told you that I am ready to be on
the committee [of the Theological Society ?j, and as soon as I
have done the preface I shall try and set to work at a

We have begun daily service with as little attendance as
possible, but do not at all repent it, but quite the contrary,
and already I think I see a disposition in some of the peoi)Ie
to come into the idea.

T have heard from Froude, who seems to me to write in
jrrctti/ good spirits; but I am sorry to ihid tluy lb ink it
necessary to confine him su. His being able to write is an
excellent sign. AVliat have you set him on now ?

Thank vou for sending me Wilson's hotter. It shows hiui

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in a most unliable light, as onl.y a little too mistrustful of
himself; and it shows me that I must get a little more skill
to rule my tongue. You have all of j'ou made much more
than I meant of that little word of mine of his being softisJi.
I only meant that he was not as disposed to hang all Whigs,
Puritans, &c., as some might be ; but this we charitably
attribute to the bad company he has kept in London. I
have no doubt of our suiting extremely well if he can b«
comfortable here.

About the Psalms we can talk when I come up. Good
night, or morning rather ; I could prose on with much satis-
faction to myself ; but it is really too late.

Your ever loving,

J. K.


{January or Fehruary] 1836.

I see poor Burton is gone ; he came to town for advice
some four or five weeks since, and those who knew him well,
though they said but little, looked very despairingly on his
case. One could wish one could nominate his successor ; but
what a dream everything seems.

Y^ou will pronounce me more useless than ever, for I
have done little more than collect, and I shall not be ready.

PiEv. J. H. Newman to Piev. J. Keble.

Oriel: January 16, 1836.

Thanks for the sight of your most instructive paper.
[This, I think, was the Preface to his Hooker.— J. H. N.] Give
me this essay as a tract and it would set up the tracts at

I think I am going on with them. On Monday I go to
town and shall decide. The ' Standard ' is calling us ' third
part Papist and third Socinian,' and Mr. Stanley [afterwards
Bishop of Norwich] calls us an active and important part}-.
Rivington has sent down for reprints for some of the first
volume, which he says is steadily selling, and the * Edinburgh '

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is preparing an attack. Now since many of these notices are
made under the impression that we are crypto-papists, here is
an additional reason for tracts on the Popish question.

Frederic Eogers, Esq., to Rev. J. H. Newman.

Bnddicad : Januar\j 16, 1836.

I have left Fronde, who professes to remain much as he has
been, rather weaker than when you were with him from never
being in the open air, but not worse than he has been from the
beginning of his confinement. ... I am afraid, too, he is not
quite in such good spirits as he used to be. You ouglit to send
Harrison down to him to take lessons on tlie subject of tlie
Reformers ; for certainly he has a way of speaking which
carries conviction in a very extraordinary way, over and above
the arguments he uses.'

Did Froudc tell you that some good lady wlio has road
you wonders how it is that you and Arnold should have any
difference between you, your sentiments and general tone so
perfectly agreeing ?

Rev. J. H. Newman to Rev. R. II. Froude.

Or'ul : Janitarn 17, 1836.

You will say I surfeit you with letters. Please send up by
your brother Anthony all spare copies of Pusoy No. i on
Baptism — also any of No. 2.

The * Edinburgh Review ' is going to attack us in form ; on
which Bowden observes that he desires it as much as Crcesus
that the islanders would attack Sardis.'-^ Not in the next

' Do not these words, as a definition of personal influence, throw a desired
light on the weight and power attributed by ail his friends to Froude"s utterances ?
Apart from the language of eye. and smile, and voice, the reader feels and knows
himself to be at a disadvantage

- Herod, i. 27 : ' When then the Greeks in Asia liad been made tributary, it
came into his mind that he would build ships and attack the islanders. And
when all his prcjiarations were made for shipbuilding, there came to Sardis,
some say Bios of I'ricne, others Tittacus of Mitylene ; and when Crusus asked
him if there was anything stirring in (ueece, he spoke as follows, and so

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number — it is to be very mild, candid, respectful, a review of
the ' Arians ' — I suspect, from Merivale.

Jannarji 22. — I am at Bowden's, Eichmond. ^VlKlt do you
think, ciitre nous, of the Evangelicals having raised 150,000/.,
and offered it to the Bishop of London for building cliurches,
if ho will join with them and bestow them on men of their
own kidney ?

January 28. — Eose, who, like a high-bred horse, is more
scared and agitated at shadows than any one of his calibre
should be, sees nothing but misery in it ; which is increased
by the same party having (unless it be two reports of the
same story) the intention of buying and then selling again
to proper persons the municipal advowsons, which will amount
to about 95,000/. ISow / say, we must not think of opposing
them direct^, except so far as may secure principles, if there
be any left. Let them fill the churches with their people ; our
game is to convert these latter ; and that I think in the long
run we shall do.

Now for the ' British Critic' I was to have met Eose at
Joshua Watson's last Monday and again missed him. Time
then having got on, I determined to open the subject to
Joshua Watson, and most fortunately I did, for it turned out
on the one hand that he was intimately acquainted with the
affairs of the Eeview ; had long supported it in a pecuniary
way, and was the very person, therefore, to be consulted ; and
on the other hand Eose had had somewhat of a difference with
Boone [the Editor] and would have been the very worst person
to talk to — Boone having taken against and Eose having been

stopped the shipbuilding: " O king, the islanders are purchasing ten thousand
horses, and intend to attack Sardis and thee." Then Crcesus, supjiosing that
he was in earnest, said, " Would that the gods would put it into the mind of the
islanders to come against the children of the Lydians with horses." But the
other answering, said : " O king, you seem to wish heartily that you could meet
the islanders on horseback on the mainland, and you judge rightly. But do you
suppose that the islanders, as soon as they heard that you were building a
fleet against them, had any other prayer than that they might catch the Lydians
at sea, in order to take vengeance on thee on behalf of the mainland people,
whom thou keejiest in slavery ? " Crcesus, they say, was highly pleased with
the retort, and, as his adviser seemed to speak good sense, ceased from ship-

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seduced to take part with, Mr. Mortimer O'Sullivaii, ^vhich, by-
the-bj-e, may account for the latter's slowness as to the ' Home
Thouj^hts,' which I offered yesterday to withdraw and put
into the tracts ; but he would not allow me.

Now I have a great deal to tell you about Mr. Stephen
[Sir James Stephen]. I took the chance, after some hesitation,
of calling upon him ; he received me most exceedingly well,
and made me fix my day for dining with him. I wish I could
give you all his conversation, which was instructive. It is so
hard to do so without seeming to bepraise myself ; but, since
I am conscious I have got all my best things from Keble and
you, 1 feel ever something of an awkward guilt when I am
lauded for my discoveries. lie did not like my * Arians ' ;
which (if I understood him) jumped about from one subject
to another, and was hastily written, though thought out care-
fully. My two volumes of Sermons he looked on as a con-
descension — every one writing sermons — as longish essays
written off (which is not true), but important, as showing we
had something in us which would be of essential service in the
present state of philosophy and religion. He seemed to treat
with utter scorn the notion that we were favouring Popery.
This age of Mammon and this shrewd-minded nation were
in no danger of it. The sermons had struck upon a new
vein ; it would be a great benefit done to the country if Quietism
could be shown to be consistent with good sense and activit}'.
Quietists and Mystics were commonly weak and eccentric ;
if repose and good sense could be married together, a service
would 1)0 done to the age. Again, the philosophy of ' little
things ' was a most important ground. Further, the most
subtle enemy which Christianity had ever had was Benthamism.
He had had a dream of attacking it in his latter 3'ears himself.
He saw vrcrii one infected with it. Now he thought our
views had in them that which could grapple with it; and he
wanted me to throw myself out of active business and think
and write : that was my function ; the more I wrote the

He wanted from me a new philosophy. Ho wanted
Christianity developed to meet the age — he thought that the

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Gospel had a kingly sway, and of right might ajipropriate all
truth everywhere, new and old.

There was much truth in Benthamism ; that was its
danger. Legislation and political economy were new sciences ;
they involved jm-ia : Christianity might claim and rule them,
but it could not annihilate them. What he feared was the
religious men of the day opposing them en )nassc. There
must be an eclectic process, &c.

I could not in my lirst talk with him make out to my
satisfaction that he was not too much of a philosopher, looking
(in Coleridge's way) at the Church, sacraments, doctrines, &c.
rather as symbols of a philosoph}' than as tntihs — as the mere
accidental types of principles. But when I dined with him
{tcte-a-tHe) I found he was far from this. He is perplexed ;
wishes for an infallible guide ; made the most impressive
remarks on life not being long enough for controversy ; said
he would be a Papist if he could, and listened with great
interest, though not clearly taking me in when I brought
forward the argument of Tradition. Indeed, go where I will,
* the fields are ready for harvest,' and none to reap them.
If I might choose my place in the Church, I would (as far as
I can see) be Master of the Temple. I am sure from what
little I have seen of the young lawyers I could do some-
thing with them. You and Keble are the philosophers, and I
the rhetorician.

P.S. — I am pleased at your good account of yourself. You
will soon be able to get out. Your weakness is nothing
considering the confinement. I have not time to read over
this scrawl.

PiEv. J. Keble to Eev. J. II. Xewmax.

Januanj 25, 1836.

Will you have the kindness to send the papers I last
forwarded to you [N.B. qu. Preface to Hooker] in the next
parcel from the press ? I am very desirous to revise them
carefully since you are so encouraging about them in some
respects ; but you a little alarm me by talking as if I were

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breaking up such very new ground by it. Pray make any
more observations that occur to you. It is a sad hhidrance
to be kept from one's books in the way one is, and will
necessarily add to the many imperfections of the concern.
But one comfort is, any good that is done is roaov Ka\ eVt.
more than one had any right to calculate upon. Since I
wrote to you last I have been looking a good deal at Jewel,
and he confirms all nr^ impressions.

I have been grieved and alarmed exceedingly at the loss of
poor Burton. The least mischief one expects is the appoint-
ment of such a person as Shuttleworth, or one nearer Oriel.
But Dens j)rovidcbit Ecclcs'ue siue.

I am rejoiced at your account of the prospect of the tracts,
and more especially at your going on with them.

PiEV. Thomas Mozlf.y to Ehv. J. H. Xkwman.

Oriel: ■Junuarii 2J, 1836.

The Provost's memory is certainly gone, or lost among
his bits of paper, like a Sibyl's oracle committed to the leaves
and blown about by the winds. I told you that he pretended
that the mention of Ottley's name was quite new to him
[qu. to succeed T. M. at Morton Pinkney]. Well, the only
result of my conversation witli him on December 3 1 is that
he told the Dean [Copleston] that I had made up my mind to
stay in the living of Morton Pinkney ; and that he speaks as
if I had originated, or at least authenticated, the objection
against Blencowe on the ground of his unsound religious
principles [N.B. — Blencowe was a mild, amiable Evangelical].
The first error he happily corrected himself, on re-considera-
tion, remem])ering that wo had talked of Ottley. Copleston
now talks of taking Morton I'inkney, and is going there with
James on Friday to inspect the place.

I delivered your message to Pusey. He laments that this
Divinity Chair is the only appointment against which there
is not even any regular way of protesting, as the Professor
comes down with his Pioyal ^fandate, and there is thi! end of
it. However, he says that if, as he hears, hr [Hampden] is

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to be appointotl, he will ^Yl•ite a letter to Lord Melbourne,
j)rotesting against it.

[N.B. Jnne. 22, 1862. — Pusey did write one of his most
earnest, weightiest, crushing letters to Lord Melbourne, who
answered him cleverly and sharply, and did not conceal the
great antipathy he felt in consequence towards Pusey.]

Harrison is talking much of an extensive scheme for build-
ing churches on right principles. \}^ide Mr. • Dodsworth's
letter. — J. H. N.] The Bishop of Llandaff [Copleston] writes
to his nephew [Fellow of Oriel] that he lias no fear of Ministers
making an improper appointment. Pusey says this is because
he does not expect they will appoint you, as he knows of
nobody else in the kingdom whose appointment the Bishop
would view with uneasiness.

Li the above letter is an allusion to what issued hi the
great Church-building scheme carried out under Bishop
Blomfield. The following is the letter referred to. Its subject
and the start of this Church-building effort still have an his-
torical interest.

Rev. "W. Dodsworth to Eev. J. H. Xewman.

York Terrace, London: January 29, 1836.

We are very anxious here to make an extensive effort in
Church-building for the metropolis. We have been for some
time in communication with the Bishop on the subject. The
matter of patronage seems to be the great difficulty.

I have learned that some friends in Oxford, with whom
you stand immediately connected \i.c. Pusey. — J. H. N.] have
had their minds directed to the same subject, and have felt
the same difficulty as to patronage. Kow, for my own part,
I feel, as I am sure you do and others at Oxford, that if we
had any security for the Government being a Church Govern-
ment, who would appoint sound Churchmen to be Bishops, we
could not do better than leave the patronage with the spiritual
Fathers of the diocese in which the churches are to be built.
But suppose the case of a Whig-Eadical being put over the

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diocese of Londou, having forty or fifty new eburclies iu liis
sole patronage !

My object then in writing is humbly to beg you and other
friends in Oxford to consider this point, and to ask advice
whether we ought not to concede, so far as principle will allow,
measures which are adapted to the painful situation of our
National establishment, though not abstractedly such as we
should most api^rove. Suppose out of a certain number of
persons nominated by the Bishop, say 100, three or live
trustees should be elected by the subscribers to be tlie patrons
of each church. The same trustees not to have tlic patronage
of more than two or three churches.

Rev. li. li. Froude to Eev. J. H. Newman.

Januarij 27, 1836.

You may perhaps have seen in the papers that my grand-
mother died the I4tli of this month. She retamcd her facul-
ties to the last, and seems to have undergone the minimum
of suffering which death requires. She was within a month
or two of eighty -nine. . . .

. . . You may have all the rest, so ' spend away, my boy,*
and make a great fuss, as if your money flowed in from a
variety of sources.

It is very encouraging about the Oxford Tracts ; but 1 wish
I could prevail on you when the second edition comes out to
cancel or materially alter several. The other day accident
put in my way the tract on ' The Apostolical Succession in
the English Church.'

[This tract was in its matter 'Palmev' a, and, I think, iu some
parts of its writing. — J. H. N.]

. . . Christie tells me j^ou have had a letter from poor
Blanco White. Pleased rather than otherwise with the
review [which was by Froude] and mistaking it for yours, and
sending you a copy of the book. Poor fellow ! I shoultl much
like to know in what tone he wrote ; it must have been a
painful thing answering him. Poor Palmer ! what a sad loss his
mother will be to him ; but I hope yet to hear a butter account.

i6o John Henry Neiv77ia7i 1836

As to propitiating Hose, ho is much in our debt and
ought to make propitiation himself. I am quite out of
patience -waiting month after month for ' Home Thoughts

I don't gain flesh, in spite of all the milk. Indeed, I
suspect that in the last six weeks I have lost a good deal, but
the symptoms remain the same.

[N.B. — This was the last letter he wrote to me, perhaps
the last letter he wrote at all. He died a month and a day
after its date, February 28. The following letters ' of mine,
written from Oxford and London, and at odd times, though
in part at earlier dates than the foregoing, did not get to him
till the beginning of February. — J. H. IST.]

Eev. J. H. Newman to Eev, J. Keele.
London: Jaiiiiari/ 30, 1836 {King Charles's Day).

The following subject presses, and of course is confidential.
You have some (I do not say much) chance of having the
Divinity Chair offered to you, and I write in anxiety lest
you should at once decline it because of the quarter from
which the offer comes. I know one is apt to take oneself in ;
but please let me say a word or two. Some years since, in
Eobert Wilberforce's case, I certainly thought he ought not
to have taken a living from Lord Brougham, yet I recollect
insisting again and again that the question was not whether
a Tory in the abstract should in the abstract receive a favour
from a Whig, but whether E. W. should receive one from

First, it is not a favour done to you. I know the world
will think it is, but it is not, and you will not really feel it as
such. E. W.'s was nothing but a favour. He could not say
' duty compels me,' ' here is a sphere of influence,' &c. But
in the present case a definite office, sid generis, of immense
importance in the Church, is offered to you (if offered) and
the simple question is, "What is God's will "? The many,

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