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4175. Did you expect that he would vote for your
side in consequence of your having that money spent
in his house ? — I can assure you that if we had not
had that idea we should not have sent one. We
have done that in several instances ; we are driven
to it by the Conservatives, because they open the
houses, and the people are made complete beasts of
in this town.

4176. I understand, in several instances, you have
sent people to drink in order to induce the publicans
to vote for your side ? — I can give you a good many
names ; it is a disgrace to the town to do it, but we
have to do it.

4177. What is the next name ? — ^A person of the
name of Henry Vickars, of Westgate.

4178. He voted for Mr. Leatham ?— Yes.

4179. What did you offer hun ?— The first time
that I went to his house, about a month before the
election, there was myself and Winter. We were
very busy six weeks before the election seeing these
piilies.' We knew th6 Toriea would buy if we did

not look after them very well. I said, " Now,
" Vickars, it is the first time you have had a vote, I
" know you are our way inclined, and you live in
" a neighbourhood which will support you if you
" support our candidate, as ^ know we got you
" on to the register." He was very cool about
the matter. I heard he was undecided before
going to his house. He says, *^ I have commenced
" this small brewery, and I want some barrels, a
" little money would be very useful." I said, " I
** have heard all about this, do not want too much.
" 1 want to return Mr. Leatliam, and if such parties
*' as you are wanting so much money, how can we
^' expect a man like Mr. Leatham to come here ?"

4180. What did he say ? — He said he could have
40/. from the Tory side, he had no doubt, if he would
name the sum. I said, *^ We cannot do with any-
" thing like that sum. Now, if you will vote for
" 20/., I will see if I can find a party that can let you
" have it." He would not talk at all about the 20/.,
and he was very cool and indifferent about the
matter. I thought he seemed as if he would rather
I was away than be in his company. Ultimately I
got to 30/.

4181. Was this about a month before the elec-
tion ? — Yes. I must state as well, that there wap
some half dozen. He was included in the half dozen
that had some kind of understanding with some
party or another, and they meant turning the elec-
tion if it came to a close run.

4182. A sort of club ? — ^A kind of club ; they are
deep enough in this borough about all these matters.

4183. Did he say that he was one of them ? — He

4184. Did he give the names of any others ? — I
did not forage the names from him ; I tried my
best, but I could not get him to split upon one.

4185. He ultimately voted for Mr. Leatham ? — ^Yes.

4186. Do you know whether he had anything for
his vote ? — I have no doubt he would ; I never asked
him after.

4187. Was Winter present when you made the
offer to him ? — I believe he was, as near as I can

4188. Are there any other cases ? — George Clark-
son, who keeps the " Rodney " Inn, in this town,

4189. How much did you offer him ? — I went
along with Winter and another party. I could not
get him to promise. I was there on several occa-
sions, so I tried him with 20/. I said, if he got
20/., it would be a very nice thing for him, I thought.
I believe both the Conservatives and Liberal party
w;ere going to spend money, and there were great
rumours about what was getting, and such like.

4190. What did he say to your offer ?— He
thought nothing about 20/. He thought it was a
very little sum. Ultimately my friend that was with
me, I believe, made an offer of 30/.

4191. In your presence ? — Yes.

4192. What is the name of your friend ? — George
Kenworthy. I must state that William Winter was
not there at the time that I talked about 20/. to him.
This was previously.

4193. You were there when Kenworthy offered
the 30/. ? — Yes. Clark son said he had a vote for
Beverley, and he expected being sent for to Beverley.
If he had got the 30/. before he voted, he would have
promised us to vote, and gone to Beverley. I believe
he did not go there.

4194. He did not accept the offer ? — No ; would
not make a promise, neither for 30/. nor 40/.

4195. How long was that before the election ? —
Getting near the day.

4196. Was it within a week of the election ? —
Yes ; I think three or four days.

4197. Was any further offer made to him by you ?
—No ; I have not been in his house since, and I do
not think I shall go again.

4198. Do you know whether anyone made him an
offer ? — ^Not on our side that I am aware of.

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7 Oct 1859.

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4199. He did not vote for Mr. Leatbam ? — No.

4200. Is there any other case you can mention ?—
I have another person of the name of Benjamin
Ingham, of Kirkgate.

4201. How much did you oflfer him ? — I believe, to
cut the matter short, the last oifer was 20/.

4202. Was that in the election week ? — This was,
I should say, about, as near as I can charge my me-
mory, eight days before the election came on ; what
makes me say eight days is this, I had arranged with
him to go out of the town ; he did not want to go
while the Sunday was over ; I think it would/ be on
the Thursday before the election week.

4203. Was the 20/. for remaining neuter? — The
20/. was to go away and come back to vote along with
another party. He said, " It is too little, is 20/.; I
" know I can get a deal more from Thomas Kemp
" Sanderson."

4204. He was on the Conservative side ? — He was.

4205. Did you make any further offer ? — ^No ; he
ultimately went away. I believe the man's name
was named yesterday ; he was to have gone away
with a person of the name of Michael Cox.

4206. Was Michael Cox a voter ?— Yes ; Gold-
thorp got Cox over, and kept him under lock and
key some time before the election ; he was not got
away. Ingham ultimately went away, and stayed
while the election was over.

4207. Was Cox made an offer on your side ? — A
person of the name of Benjamin Dobson was going to
give him 20/.

4208. Have you any other name to give ? — A
person of the name of Samuel Gifford, a tailor. To cut
the matter short, letting the small items alone, I tried
him frequently with 10/., and 15/., and I got up
to 20/.

4209. You made that offer to him to vote for Mr.
Leatham ? — ^Yes.

4210. Was that in the election week ? — I believe
it was. I had a good deal of conversation with him
before the election ; he said that he could have more
from the Conservatives.

4211. Do you know who gave him any money on
your side ? — No ; I could not be positive.

4212. Who do you believe gave him anything ? —
I believe the party was Thomas Brown ; I think that
was the man.

4213. Have you got any other name ? — Yes ; I
have another. Thomas Rennard, " White Hart."

4214. How much did you offer him ? — I had a good
deal of conversation ' with him before the election
came off, a week or two before. He said to me, " It
" is the first vote I have had here ; I have had this
" house of Mr. Carter so long, and I have lost a deal
" of money by it. I have had Mrs. Carter and
" Thomas Kemp Sanderson here ;" and he was very
indignant at them, because they thought as it was
Mr. Carter's house they would compel him to vote for
Mr. Charlesworth. The man is of Liberal disposition,
and always voted in Beverley for the Liberal side ; I
believe he always liked' money ; I asked him what he
meant ; he said, " I shall want sugar, you know ;'' I
said, " What do you mean by your sugar."

4215. You knew what ho meant ? — I had some
idea. It was a month before the election, and it was
not so much talked about as it was when we got near
the time. He would not make any distinct statement
what he would want.

4216. What did you offer to him ? — I offered him
10/., and he seemed to take it with scorn. I said
" 15L ;" and then I said, " Come, 20/., you will think
" that a good round lump of sugar ; 20/. for merely
" going and recording your vote ;" but he thought
nothing of the 20/.

4217. You offered him the 20/. to vote for Mr.
Leatham ? — Yes.

4218. What was the tune of that offer. Was that
in the election week ? — I really could not say to a week

whether it was. I had frequent conversations with
this man.

4219. Within a fortnight or three weeks of the
election ? — A nearer period than that. I was deter-
mined that I would get him to vote if I could. I was
there one evening, and Mr. Tomlinson, the solicitor,
was there, Joseph Brear, and several more.

4220. Are you aware whether he got anything for
voting for Mr. Leatham ? — I am certain he did ; he
would not vote without. I believe he had 25l,y with
a promise of more, which promise was never to be

4221. From whom? — George Ken worthy. I was
there when the arrangement was made, but I never
spoke to him myself.

4222. You did not see the money paid ? — No ; I
never paid a shilling to any party myself.

4223. You have given a niunber of names of per-
sons to whom you offered money to vote for Mr.
Leatham ; is there any other ? — Yes, I think there is
another or two ; a person of the name of William
Tranmer, watchmaker, Northgate.

4224. He voted for Mr. Charlesworth. What did
you offer him ? — At the time I went to Senior, I went
into Tranmer's by the back door, and went into the
kitchen ; his wife was there.

4225. Did you ask him for his vote ? — Decidedly ;
that was what I went for. I asked the wife first ;
he was not in when I went into the kitchen, but he
came in while I was in there. I said to Mr. Tranmer,
" I have called to see how you are going to vote this
" election." I had heard a rumour that he was likely
to vote for Mi\ Leatham, but this was a party who
always voted, as well as I remember, on the Conser-
vative side ; so I had some conversation with him.
He said, " Well, he believed I was too late, he had
" concluded his bargain," or something to that effect.
I really cannot be positive to just the words; but he
gave me to understand that he had decided for Mr.

4226. Did you try to shake his resolution ? — ^I said,
" If you have not quite decided, how would 20/. be ;"
so he seemed to think that 20/. was a mere nothing.
I got to 30/., to cut the story short, but 30/. was of no
use, and I have no doubt he got a deal more than
that. It was not a right offer ; merely, I believe, you
might get 30/. ; you are a man in business, you can
do with a little money, I know, by what I have heard.
I think 30/. would be a very nice thing ; it was not a
right bona fide offer, and I did not know whether I
could get it. I did not know where any money was,
or where it would come from at the time.

4227. If he had promised to vote for 30/., do you
mean to say that you did not know where the money
was to come from ? — I did not know then ; I should
have tried to get it. I thought he would never vote
for Mr. Leatham, and I wanted him to get a good stiff
price fi'om the Conservatives. All the parties I
talked to respecting voting, a month or five weeks
before the election, was to make the Conservatives pay
their money amongst their own voters, so that they
would not get amongst our party.

4228. Several of the persons you have named you
spoke to a very short time before the election ? — ^Yes,
in this matter in which I spoke to parties before the
election, I had an idea where the money would come

4229. Where was that ? — From Mr. Wainwright's

4230. Fi-om Gilbert ?— Yes.

4231. You knew that Gilbert was distributing
money for that purpose ? — I knew he was.

4232. Have you anv more names ? — I have two
more yet. Joseph Walker, of Smyth Stieet.

4233. When was the offer made to him ? — ^As near
as I can remember, it would be somewhere about a
fortnight before the election. That was a real offer
of 20/.

4234. Was that all you offered him ?«»Yes. I did

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not make him any offer of any more^ neither 4^ided
nor any way else.

4235. He refused it ? — ^Yes, and seemed to think
he could get a deal more. At the same time, I must
just remark, I said to him, ** Your father has a vote,
^ and voted for Mr. Leatham at the last election, and
*• your father had a public-house on Westgate Com-
<< mon. I have no doubt it was a good thing for
** him, for the election committee met there."

4236. He voted for Mr. Charlesworth ?— Yes.

4237. You offered him 20/. to vote for Mr. Leatham
within a fortnight of the election, which he refused.
Do you know whether he got anything for voting for
Mr. Charlesworth ? — ^I have no doubt he got double
the amount irom them. I cannot prove it.

4238. Can you tell us anything about the circum-
stances under which Mr. Charlesworth was returned
without opposition at the election before the last, in
1857 ? — ^I would rather let that alone ; it is rather a
delicate point. I believe' it was done by roguery and
deceit, and that it was nothing from beginning to
end. It was a complete sell ; there is not the least
doubt of it

4239. Will you describe, as well as you can, how it
was? — ^I would much rather let that alone. What
I say goes before the public. Altogether it would
hardly do.

4240. ( Chairman.) You do not know, of your own
knowledge, how it happened ? — I could not say. It
was certain that Mr. Leatham could be returned for
this borough, without money and without beer, by a
great majority. I am confident of that.

4241. {Mr, Willes.) I ask you again as to the
election of 1857, when Mr. Charlesworth was re-
turned without opposition, to describe how it came
about that Mr. Charlesworth was returned without
opposition ? — I really could not say, not of my own
knowledge, to be positive about the matter. I would,
if you like to defer it, make inquiry, and tell you all
I know. I think I could ascertain something in a
few days.

4242. As I understand, you have made no pay-
ments to any voters yourself? — ^Not a shilling.

4243. They were all offers ?— Yes.

4244. How did you come to make those oflers ? I
suppose you expected to be able to make them good
if they were accepted ? — The offers that I made at
the latter part, when the election was drawing near,
of course I expected I could make good. If I made
a man an offer, I should have thought it a disgrace to
myself if I had not got the money. If I had made
an offer, and could not have got him the money, I
would have gone at once and told him that I could
not get it, and he was to take the money he could get
from the other side.

4245. ( Chairman.) You thought you would get the
money from Mr. Wainwright's office ? — I should
have got it from Mr. Gilbert, there is not the least

4246. {Mr. Willes.) Had you been authorized by
Mr. Gilbert ? — Of course I was authorized. When
Wainwright sent for me in December, and six weeks
prior to the election he sent for me and Winter, and
he says, " You and Winter," (of course we was both
there in his house,) **are very likely to assist us
" greatly in the coming election." Of course there
was Bome conversation respecting what there would
he to do, and what not. He says, " I shall expect
•* you to neglect your business, and to attend to this
'* matter while the election is over ;" and I said it
would be a very serious matter for either him or me
to leave our business to attend to this matter. It
was a job I never attended to before, except as a vo-
lunteer, at any day or two when I could spare time.
It was rather a serious matter, six weeks before the
election, to give all one's time, when we expected
there would be a great to do.

4247. Were you to have anything for your services?
^There was no definite sum named. I will t^il you

7 Oct. 1859.

the words he said, when I talked about the long time, -*^*

and I could not afford to spend six weeks and neglect '^' Birkemshaw.

my business, I said, " What understanding are we to

" have ?" He said, " After the election you shall be

" well rewarded," that was the only bargain we


4248. Has that promise been fulfilled ?— No, not
a shilling, I wish it was.

4249. You have not been paid ?— No.

4250. {Chairman.) Did they tell you that you
might offer money ? — ^No, not at that time ; I talked
to him respecting money. I am speaking now of the
six weeks prior to the election.

4251. You did not say anything about offering
money then ? — No, I will tell you what I said to him.
I says, " What are we to do with these parties that
" is more inclined to vote for Mr. Charlesworth than
" Mr. Leatham ?" Our employment was to go amongst
parties that we thought by looking the register over
would be full as likely to vote for Mr. Charlesworth
as Mr. Leatham. We wanted to get to know how
the borough stood, to some nicety ; and of course as
I was rather anxious for the Liberal party myself,
and so was Winter, we stuck pretty well to it, and
the whole town knows it. We went to parties that
were doubtful, and would not promise any way. I
asked Mr. Wainwright what we were to do about
money matters ; he said, of course we could not talk
anything about money, that would be a thing out of
the question altogether. It was merely to feel the
state of the minds of the voters, and have an idea
what things would come to. I said at the time that
there would be some money required, I was sure,
before the election was over. Mr. WainwTight did
ask me what I thought would l;e required ; he knew
I had some idea, and I believe my estimation was
more than his. When things came, we will say,
within a fortnight or five weeks of the time, I was
led to think by what I heard from some of Mr.
Leatham's committee that some 1,200/. or 1,500/.
would win Mr. Leatham's election, including every-
thing ; but when the Tories began giving large sums,
and promising large sums, as has been named in
Court before, the prices went up, and a party that
would take 20/. one day, another day wanted 40/.

4252. Did you say that you had any communication
with the committee ? — I had no direct communica-
tion, but of course I knew some that was on the

4253. Mr. Wainwright discussed with you as to
what the election was likely to cost ? — Nay. I said
there would be money wanted, and he asked me what
I thought would be wanted. I said, I thought if the
Tories went on like what they did in former years,
it would require more than 1,200/. or 1,500/.

4254. Mr. Wainwright did ask what the election
would cost ? — I have never thought about the matter
since then, while now myself I could not say every
word that transpired.

4255. I want to ask you about these public-houses.
You said, in the course of your examination, that
there were more public-houses than one where
people were sent to drink and get entertainment, in
order that the publican's vote might be secured for
Mr. Leatham's side, and you were obliged to do that
in consequence of the Conservatives doing it ? — They
always do it to a great extent ; there were a great
many on both sides.

4256. Can you give the names ? — I do not think
there is half a score that would vot« for the Liberal
side, because the Tories always make them larger

4257. Can you give the names of the public-houses
to which non-electors have been sent to drink in order
to get the vote of the publicans for Mr. Leatham ? —
I do not see how I can manage that, as there is a great
number in the borough.

4258. It took place in one instance which you have
mentioned ? — I will name where I have sent them.



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J, Birketuhaw^
7 Oct. 1859.

I should gay at the commencement we have frequently
given parties money to go and get something to drink.
1 do not say that we have 'done it for them to make
sots of themselves, get drunk, and kick up rows ;
hut where we have given money to men to go to a
puhlic-house to spend it, has been where we had some
idea of getting the voter to vote, either without
money, or we did not expect he ^.ould want much.
Then, on the other hand, supposing that it was a
house where we knew there was plenty of company
that was voters, we perhaps might send one or two
men ; they would go and sit there and get a glass of
beer, And perhaps the next day they would tell us
what was going on at this house, whether they was
talking about Mr. Charles worth or Mr. Leatham, and
how they thought the election would go.

4259. Were the men sent to spend money partly for
the purpose of getting the publicans to vote for Mr.
Leatham ? — Supposing a party is in a house, he will
very often hear the landlord make a remark, and you
will conclude whether it is favourable to you or not.

4260. We do not want your opinion as to the effect
of sending the people to the public-houses. Was your
motive in sending them to get the votes of the pub-
licans ? — Decidedly. I believe ou all occasions where
we thought we could get them, and if we thought
they were not inclined our way, we did it to get

4261. Will you prepare a list of the names of such
public-houses as you can speak to of your own know-
ledge where vou have sent people to spend money in
drink and other things for the purpose of getting the

Sublicans' votes ? — Yes ; there is very few where we
ave sent any parties with the intention of getting
the votes ; sometimes we sent them where we had the
promise of a vote, but we waf^ afraid of the Tories
buying it over.

4262. Did you give the people much money to
spend upon those houses ? — Not much at a time.
Perhaps I might meet with a man in the street that
I knew very well, and I would say, ** There is W.,
*^ you can go to so-and-so, and hear what they are
" talking about the election."

4263. {Mr. miles.) Has WUliam Winter ever been
with you when you have been making these offers of
money to the voters ? — It would be rather a difficult
question to answer all the time we was together. I
must say this, there was an understanding betwixt him
and myself, whenever either of us tailed to a party
that 20/. would be a nice thing, if he could get it, or
30/., either I left him or he left me to make those

4264. You agreed together that you should not
niake offers of money in one another's presence ? —
There was very few offers made by either of us. I
do not know one party wherever he did make an

426o. Did he ever tell you that he had made an
offer ? — He never dicL

4266. Did he ever tell you the price of any par-
ticular voter ? — No ; I do not know that he did.

4267. At all events, it was arranged between you
that 'you should not make offers in one another's pre-
sence ? — We never talked to a party about money or
aught in that strain when there was three parties

4268. That was the understandihg ?— Yes ; and
likewise the other party too ; it was the other paarty
that set us the example.

4269. Can you tell how much money passed through
your hands ? — I had money for these sort of expenses
I have named.

4270. How much ? — I believe 18/. was what I got
for that purpose.

4271. You got the same that Winter did ? — Yes.

4272. Have you ever been offered money by any
one yourself with reference to this election by the
other side ? — ^Not a right offer. Mr. Brown called
upon me, and Mr. Joe Fernandes.

4273. It could not have been a right offer. Was
any offer made to you by the other side ? — No ; they
said it would be far better for me if I would vote for
Mr. Charlesworth. They threw out insinuations
which led me to conclude that it would have been
better for me, and I have no doubt it would have
been better for me.

y. Hardwxeki.

James Habdwicke sworn and examined.

4274. {Chairman,) Were you the captain of some
forces on the side of Mr. Leatham ? — Yes. I had the
management of the watchers in the streets.

4275. Who employed you ? — ^Mr. Wainwright.

4276. How maily men had you under you ? — I do
not know exactly.

4277. Had you money given you to treat those
men ? — No.

4278. Or to- spend?— No.

4279. You had no money given you ? — ^Not for that

4280. Had you for any purpose ? — What I spent

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