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Esau, who sold his birthright for a mess of pottage.



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What have you done less than he, who have valued
the fears of the Ic^ of some of the goods of this
world more than a good consoience, and faith to-
wards God| which gives the assurance of eternal life,
which I am certain you will lose the sense of ? Neither
will your mess of pottage be any bigger for what
you have done, but rather the less ; for it must be as
Christ said in another case, he that is mlling to lose
Us life shall save it; so, on the contrary, you that are
williDg to save your mess of pottage, you shall lose it.
For I say, it is hard for the devil to get a mess of
pottage in this world as it is for the saint, let them
bow down e*er so much ; for you will see, in a short
time, what profit it will be unto you in jJbis world.
I^either will you eat your mess of pottage with that
peace of mind as you had before ; for this art of
yours, it will be as gall and wormwood in your pot-
tage ; it will be worse than playing at cards, and be-
ing drunk, or all the sins that you conunitted in the
days of your ignorance. For God was always more
angry at Israel's worshipping a fiaJse God, than any
other sin whatsoever ; because other sins were infir-
mities of nature, which nature cannot avoid, it beingf
naturally prone unto itw But this bowing down to
worship, that which you know to be false, neither do
you dp it because you own it to be truth, but only
through slavish ' fear of sujBTering some loss in this
world ; which thing is worse seven times than if you
had owned*it to be the true worship of God, as other
people do.

Therefore do not deceive yourselves, and count it
your liberty, as if you had more liberty in point of
worship, by this commission of the Spirit, tnan the
rest of the believers have ; for some of the believers of
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estates than ever yon would have doof , yet they have
thought themselves happy in that they kept their
hearts pure and undefiled from that spiritual whore-
dom to worship a &lse God, or bow to the fistlse wor-
ship, contrary to the faith they have in this commis*
sion of the Spirit : for if all the believers of this com-
mission of the Spirit should do as you have done, it
would be but a vain thing for them to dispute or
plead for the doctrine of the true God, and the right
devil, with many other heavenly mysteries, which
no other forms of worship do know. And as you
have been instruments to publish and make known
this doctrine, which thing was a crown of honour
upon your heads, but now you have done the greatest
dishonour to this connnission of the Spirit that could
be done ; so that your glory will be your shame.
For it will be but a vain thing for you to prbfess any
faith in this commission of the Spirit any more ; for
I shall never own you as I did before; neither can I
have that love and affection for truth's sake, as I had
before ; neither do I care for ever seeing you anv
more. Yet I shall bear the shame of it, and though
you should all of you fall, so that I should be left
alone^ as Elijah was, yet my faith shall bear me up.

And if you find the same peace at you did wben
you lived intheobedience of faith of this commisaon
of the Spirit, th^n bath God revealed no truth unto
me.

I shall say no more, but leave you to the worship
of the nation, and as ^Uen from the true fs^th in the
ti'ue God.

lODOWICKE MUGGLETON,

Om of the two kitt Prophet^ wOotheimsGod
London^ Augmt 90, 166S.

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A Copy of a Letter written by the Prophet Lodowicke
Muggleton, to Chrittopher Hill, Sept. 23, 1663.

Losing Fiiiaid^ Ckrisiophir Hill,

^ I RECEIVED youTB, with the letter inclosed,
therein I perceive tmt your family is afflicted with
the small-tpox. K I should say I am sorry, for it, it
would not ease you e'er the more ; for these tbings^are
natuml to all, and £dls all alike toalL Sothat tinw
puts an end to all diseases, and to life itself. So that
death and life is always at strife onie with the other^
and so it will be as long as the world doth endure.
But when; time shall be swallowed up into eternity,
then shall there be no more death to the seed of iaiili^
nor no more life to the seed of reason ; for deatii shall
swallow up the seed of reason's life and heaven into
that eternal death. So on the contrary, the seed of
faith's life shall swallow up that death and hell into
eternal life. For great is the power of faith and the
power of reason. The one goes into the power of
death and drunkenness, and the other jiito the power
of life and light eternal*

It is well, and I am ^ad that you are so stedfast in
your faith, notwitlistanding the lastprodamation. I
wish you may hold out to the end, and not do as others
have done, to put your band to the plough, and look
back ; that is, to worship God in spirit and truth,
according to the feith of this commission of the Spirit,
and then to turn back to the worship of the nation,
either to gain or save a suit of apparel, which is but
a mess of pottage. And as for you, mother Wyld, if
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going to church to try their spirits, and finding the
priest to be a devil, and therefore she would not hear
him any more ; it is but a poor excuse, not so good
as Adam's fig-leaves were to cover his nakedness*

Now I cannot tell whose spirits she went to try,
whether the saint's spirits, or the devil's spirits ; but
let it be which she will, she went the wrong way to
try spirits : For if she went to try the devil's spirits,
it was that which they did desire ; so that the devil
Jtried her spirit to make her fell down and worship
him, even as he did unto Christ ; so that Christ did
not try the . devil, but the devil tried him. And if
Christ had 3delded tq the devil's temptation, as she
hath done, what would have become of us aU, his
own hith and power, and the faith of the elect?
.There would have been havock and shipwreck made
of it, and the devil would have been more than a
jconqueror, as he hath been in tliose three. And if
she did it to try the spirits of the weak saints, that
was as much as to tempt the spirit of truth. For when
the apostle bad the believers in his time try the spirits,
whether they were of God, or no, it was not that they
should turn back again to the worship of the law, for
to encourage the devils, that their worship is right;
and to weaken the &ith of the saints. This is not the
right way of tiying of spirits : they had better have
set their own faith to have been tried by the devil's,
like gold in the fire. I am sure it would have yielded
them mor^ peace here, and more glory hereafter, and
as good a livelihood in this world as they will now
have. ^

And as tor her knowing the priest to be a devil, she
knew that many years before she came to own this
commission . She need not to have gone to church, to
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ti^iidiiy aad of a\\ sorts^ were ialse, and not sent of
God. And as for her peace and satisfaction, I shall
let that alone : Yet this I am sure of, if faith hath
hot its perfect work in the soul, there cannot be that
jpetfect peace- Neither did • I slight her faithfulness
to this commission, but did honour her upon that
account more than all in that country ; which the fall
of her hath done more mischief to the commission of
tl^a^Sjpirit, than all the rest besides : for if she and
th^y tad not been declared blessed by John Reeve, I
should not have mattered it so much ; for I always
had a great FBspect to those which John Reeve did
bless, in case I did approve of them. And it was well
.that CWton was not declared blessed, either by John
Reeve, or myself ; if he had, I should nothave excom-
municated him for ever, as he now is. But I see
what a confusion there wift be with the believers of
this commission when I am dead : For almost all
those that disadhere unto John Reeve, are sotne
dead, and many of the rest fallen away from that
«tfedf?istnress of faith ; but blessed and happy are they
who hold out tp the end. She might have said to
bear it With patience, had she given no cause : For
I do never use to write so sharply without a cause ;
for 1 was always naturally inclined to moderation^
patience, and long-suffering with such weaknesses in
Ithe saints, iwbich I know John Reeve woifld never
hav6 done nor borne.

J ' But in, podnts of worship, God himself,, and all pro-
jiiietS^atid apostles,' were an^ry at ; for that is astb6
abipiaof God's eye : and all the c
Whcile world, persecution, Jkilling
iib^ut' worship, from Cain and Abel
of the' world, even to this day, and
world, and so forth.

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Mn Burton would have Goodman Miles to coine
up and take some order about his cyder ; for he hath
let hi^ house to another, and that man. doth want the
room; so that he will not let it stand there, ; He
takes possession of it next Tuesday, therefore let him
x^ome as suddenly as possibly he can.

So resteth your friend in the true faith,

UODOWICKE MUGGLETO^.



A C(ypy of a Letter written by the Prophet Lodtmicki
, Mtiggteton^ to Mrs. Dorothy Carter j of Chesterfield,
bearmg date November 14, 1663.

Dtar and lotigfg Friend in the true faith, Dorothy Carter^ .

I DID understand l>y your last letter^ bearing
date October 1, 1663, that Uie next week but ^ one
after that, I should hear from William Newpome;
l)ut I have not heard from him npt yet ; .but I beliieve
some occasion or other is the cause that doth hinder
It.

. Also I perceive by your letter that you would wil-
lingljr have those letters of mine to the Quakers put
in print, which in my last letter to you I was wilung
to have let them alone for a time ; for I had not read
over his printed pan^phlet when I sent you that ^Iptter ;
but since I have read it over, and have shewed; it to
souae other friends in the faith, and they are very
desirous that I would write an answer to that printed
pamplilet of Richard Farnsworth^ andjpiit it m print

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with the other letters of the Quakers, with my
answers unto them.

It would be the greatest discovery of the deceit of
the Quaker's doctrine of any thing that hath been yet
written ; so I know it well. I had thoughts when
the Iirterpretation of the Eleventh Chapter of the
Revelations was printed, not to have printed no more ;
but seeing truth cannot be so public and made known
t9> the world without printing, because every one
cannot read writing; besides, it is too tedious toy
write much ; 8o>, for the desires of others, and that
truth may be made more known in the world, and
that the Quakers may not tyrannize in their way, as
if they had printed such a thing as could not be
answered; in consideration of these things I have
written an. answer to this printed pamphlet^ and I
have spoken with the printer about it, and wearie
ahnost agreed concerning it. I do intfend to have
that letter of mine lo Edward Bourne printed ; for
that was the first which did anger them. Also I will
have Samuel Hooton and Wiluam Smith, their first
letter to me, and my answer to them, and Richard
Famsworth's first letter to me, and my answer to ity
ah'd my answer to this printed pamphlet ; all these I
do intend to put in print: therefore, what you shall
be wilKng and free, and our friend Mr. Sudbury, and
if there be any other there that is able, what they are
free, they may contribute towards the . printing, o£
them, arid I will send you some of them down, as soon^
as they are printed, which I suppose will be about al
^rtnight or three weeks hence ; for the printer dotK
fS^ji if he doth not do them in that time he will not
do them at all.

So in haste I rest at this time, only my dear love to

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yourself^ and to your daughter, and Betty Smith, and
all the rest of our friends in the faith.

. Your fitiend in the true fiedth,

LODOWICKE MUGGLETON.

* London^ Ncvemker 14, 1663.

My wife desires to be remembered to you all,
though unknown.
, Let me hear from you as soon as you can.



Jt Copy of a Letter written by the Fropfiet Lpdowky
Muggleton^ to Mrs. Dorothy Carter^ bearing date the.
9/Jth ofUfaoemhtr, l663, asfoUoweth. ' f ' t

Dear and laving friend in the truffaUh of Jesus j Doroihjf Carter^

3 your letter and the twenty shil-*

Aland's man. I am very ^ad to.

dll well ; and also do und^rstai^

t the mayor of Chelsterfield l^th

ust mak^einy personal appeariiJM:^^

hich 1 do intend to do,,;tbat ^i)ff

I Know nothing fo tke.contraqrr

ked ccMinsel about it^ and they «^lt

jput, in bailin the opeiij cotixt^ J^

iiannot remove it; so that I must be forced to see yoia

Again ; but do not you be troubled about it^ /fop. |i^I

had ten thousand damned devils^ beforqme,j( ^tifliila



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not be afraid ; neitber can they do any great mf ttersi
agaibst me, not according as the laws of England stand
at this time ; so that the envy of the devils cannot go
beyond their own law, only it will be some charge and,
trouble to come so for ; but as to what they cando .by
tiieir law, I danot much value what they can do , for J^
shall justify most part of their charge which they hiatye.
against me; and the more I suffer for it, the more^
Hotter will the fire of hell burn in those that ,af e^ iny
enemies. * ; ;• /

And as for Mr- Pender and others being bound
over to come in against me by the mayor, I say it is
more than the mayor can do, except th^ m^tyQ^ 4o
take the business upon himself to prosecute and per-
aecude me, which doth notx^onoern hiBki for^hi did
what was bis place to^ do^. and thai: was/ to ebmtnit mti
tt>(piiion^ that Mm as much dd -ooQcemedv hiaiihirjbisi
place ;; neither ira^ he bounds noh^ ijo other vbanvto'^
iritoess mf .wx>rds against md, not upon. any penalty^;
if I had been ttied then, much less now; .but if t&e>
maybr and others their inalice be £» great tbwiinds iad^ )
tW^ tfainkiB^ to ibake great mattters of tiiyrwprdg^
vbidiltkeyiurged out of me, which I ^hall justify iti>
HKtiCtbeBJcbufii ib .thar internal shame,. let! theirilKitiie^
lJc^iwttai;itQafn:be!t»'mi,vl shall be unufe: td)fe tax
bectriCL . Audi iif'tbejTi caxDbear tbrin eternal tdrmenb
as well, it wiU.be wc^ fbr'tiien»(.;buiif there be naq/t)
w^.tUall baoi pUeveirt inyicaBdn^tb^re;)ai!idifreBtiii^
baiA, irwdll; jfiidt}(I>wiU49od>e9ibalvyoflr^
fimthef befoife. tttat iimfe^ £ lodi tbOiig^!)to^
vnittni alfniR Ixier. te: .Mr. Pender, tb bbm sh^edi
Uim. tUett it iivvlas.;mdtt thiahithis^) irayoiriobuki dt)^'1kif
bind him or any other :ta!wil)nesiladaifci8trmev therei

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have bound themselves through their malice to pro-
secute the business, all that the^ can do, is tpsu-*
poena you in for a witness ; and if you do not go, what
penalty can be inflicted upon you for it > None at
all ; but some through ignorance and fear, ancT others
through malice and envy, both mixed together, will
do what mischief they can to me ; but I shall be able
to bear it all ; so that I shall not persuade Mn Pender,
nor no other, against what their ignorance and fear
will lead them unto ; but I being in haste at this time,
shall say no more in that busine«s»

DearFriendy

I have here sent yon Charles Cleve*s letter tinta
Richard Farnsworth ; I would d^ire you <a convey
it to him some way or other. I would have you r^d
it over before. I do think it will be too tedious to*
take a copy of it ;. yet I have done it here, because of
others seemg of it to lend it about. I think the book-
of the Quaker's Letters and mine will be out the next
week, and the next week after I shall :send you some
of them ; for I must go into Keiit a week before
Christmas, because the. parish doth intend to oboose*
me constable this year, sol slmll preventitbem ifl
can. I go to my wife's mother, iMittiftieri^e twelve
days are over I do intend to come againJi .' 1: e-

Our friend Mr. Hatter is very w^; arsd H6tb>give
us good hopes of a good success of his fousitiass^ out
when he doth intend to come to Lotidbn heinaketh no
mention in his letter. He waits - as he saithu foit his
wife to be delivered of child-birth, and if the do well
it will be much better for him. :

Our friend Mn Hudson <loth intend to. come io
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come by Chesterfield, to see you, and through Not-
tingham, to see Ellen Sudbury.

And as for that priest, whose heart is set on the fire
of hefl, that fain would have me hanged or burned,
the same measure shall be meted unto him which he
ivould have done unto me, and that I shall let him
know ; but at present I have no time to write the sen-
tence unto him, nor to those other two you mention
in your letter ; but if I can when I send the books,
I will.

So I shall say no more, but rest

Your loving friend in the true faith,
LODOWICKE MUGGLETON.

My love remembered to your daughter and Betty
Smith, and all the rest of our friends in the faith.
My wife desires to be remembered unto you ill.



^S^Py of a Letter written by tne Prophet L^
. Muggleton^ Lpndotij December, )i3j\l663. ; ;

Loving Friendj Mr. , Sudbury, [/'"'.

11 tter, with your wife's in-
closed, , ir you are all well, and of
ybiir fai a^ of the Spirit. \ I wish
^ou ma te in it, until yoili1>e as
str6ifig 1 ipson yr^' itf his body.

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"even to destroy aihoiisaqd Pjiili^tmes, with the jaw
bqne^of an ass; so the power of faith in the true God
ViU ^^stto/ at thousand pf the seed of the serpent,
iir^ .Ifhe^^ord of tl]fw so it doth every

WKere; ;wbe^^ men and women are thoroughly
^gfdiiiided m it ; it 'hath greajeflfedt upon the seed of
the serpent, all wellas my fiithhath.^ ., ;^
" Thj[s I' k^oV \>y e^perichcer; by several , btdliever?
^ftMsc6iiatoissi6nof the Spirit; ; .

I also received five shillings of the carrier, * v^' '
Also I find in your letter, that William Wkfson
would ^willingly h^ye.me copae to Derby^ to be tried ;
and I plWcetve', rathfer than I should not come, he
would Jbt^c^y^c^ges* , X do. gjjp hy this how free
the' dtev^risito Yne,1beciuse he doththiiik there is some
evil intended against me, ther^oje be wpuld wil-
lingly be at the charge, that it might be put in exe-
pu^iif; fo^ this I know, that if there was. any good
mteii^d' towards me there> then he would be as for*
war(^io give na^ohey for me to stay away: but>!how-
ver, if I could not bear my own charges, nor if I had
no friends in this world to do it, yet I would take no
mercy of him, nor any other that is under th^ sen-
tence of this conmiission ; I never did it to my know-
ledgpA n(^^r ipinQ^ .I.caa^e forth upon this account
when as.j[ had iew^ friends than II have niajv ; for I
\ have rrfused'oith work and^lnoriey, many times, of
those that have been danmed by me, which they wo^\d
have thought themselves the more happy if I woilld

[ would BQt: Jbtut I see^^ what
J in at, apd'^l: is vary like thf^t

^ that thin^, and yet»)«;'€^ep nis

. iiQthii^to^the contr^iy yet^

nci see yQu.;before I go Jo
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when I do come there, not according as the laws of
England stand at this time ; except ignorance of the
law, and envy together, doth that which is contrary
to the law ; but if it dot, I shall bear it : but I shall
inform you further of this before that time.

You say in your letter that there is one there that
hath a mind to all my books^ and if you mean all our
books bound together, thep I cannot help him to
them, for there is none of the commission books left,
not one, if I would give five shillings for that alone,
that being the ground and beginning of all ; but as
for the Interpretation, I have sent you one, the price
is two shillings. Also I have sent ten of those newly
printed, and the price is twelve-pence a piece, they
being very chargeable the printing, and much ado to
get them at any rate; neither would I have you to
lend them to Quakers or others, but if they will buy
them, let them have them, and if they do not like
them, when they have read them, let them burn them;
or do what they will with them ; for I have found by
experience, a great deal of inconvenience in lending
books, for when people see them for nothing, they
like them the worse, but when they have paid for it,
they will take more notice what they read ; neither
will those books of the Quakers be long before they
be all gone, for most people do desire to see what
these things mean, they having a good opinion of the
Quakers, and the price bein^ small, there is few will
grudge to give a shilling for it ; it contains ten sheets
of paper, but if that man aforesaid hath a desire of all
our works, I do think that William Newcomb, of
Derby, bookseller, ciui help you to one, for he had
three of me, and I hear he bath not sold them yeU If
yon send to Dorothy Carter you may know further of
it, for he is there every Saturday.

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In your wife's letter I understand that Mr. Tomkin^
son doth desure an answer to his letter.

But there being such a many particulars, to answer
whichy if they were answered fully, it would make a
great volume ; and if it should be answered ever so
ijhort, it would be very large, neither have I any time
to do it, neither do I know when I shall : and for me
to take such a deal of pains to please the unsatisfied
fyiTtcy of one particular man, it would be but a vain
thing ; for there is enough written, if understood and
•believed, to satisfy the mind of any man or womsui in
the worid ; for if those things were answered upon bis
desire, in a month's time there would be as many
more places of Scripture, as needful to answer, as
those he hath propounded ; so that there is no end of
answering questions, neither will the reason of man
ever be satisfied ; for if there be not a growth in fkitb,
upon these two foundations, viz. the true God and
the right devil, there can be no true peace. But it is
much upon my mind of late, for the good of the seed
of faith in general, that if I do but live a few years
longer, and have my liberty to interpret the chief
principal heads of the whole Book of the Revelations
of St. John, for the eleventh chapter being opened
already, it will the more easily open all that rich ca-
binet, where the seed of £aith may see the glonoi»
treasure of heaven ; but my baste is great at prMdftt,
therefore I shall say no more in this thing, but if you
please you may send me William Smitfa's l^er, aad
your answer, when you send to me again.

And as for Mr. Hatter he is very well, and his bu-^
siness is like to do pretty well ; I have scwt to bim
this day some of fiiose books i^ich I kaiow will be
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were printed. Our friend Mr. Hudson^ I think, will
be with you about Candlemas.

So in haste I rest, having much business tado, and
being alone, for my wife is at her mother's, and xny
two daughters are from me; the one is married, the
other is m Cambridgeshire, and the latter end of this
week I do go into Kent ; I do intend to be at home
again at the twelve holidays end. So with my love
to yourself, and to your loving wife, with my love to
your maid, though 1 never had any discourse with her,
oeither do I weU know her if I should see her again;
yet this I say, I do look upon that maid to be one of
the seed of faith, and that it will grow in her.

Your Friend in the true Faith,

LODOWICKE MUGGLETON.

London^ December IS, 16^.



A Copy of a Letter written hy the Prophet Lodowicke
Muggleton^ to one Bice Jones, at his House in Not -
tingham, without any Date or Place it came from, as
foUows^;

Rke Jonet^

ABOUT a twelve-month since it was I saw you,
s^id then I had soiae little discourse with you ; in
wiuch discourse I did understand what principle of
rel^ioa you are of, whicb principle of God is founded

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iipon Jacob Bemond'swriting^» which is to beliere
that God is an infinite Spirit without a body ; also
Jacob 'Bemond's angels which he speaketh so much
of have no bodies, neither doth he describe the form
and nature of them, neither could he tell what tlie
right devil is, nor the true heaven, nor the right hell,



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