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2nd March, Mr. Bradlaugh called attention to the method of collecting
labour statistics in the United States and Canada, and moved a resolu-
tion asking that immediate steps should be taken to insure in this
country the full and accurate collection and publication of such statistics.
In a comprehensive speech he dealt with the drawbacks to improvement
in the condition of the working classes, contending that they were due
mainly^to a want of information which the publication of such statistics
as he proposed would largely remedy. — Mr. Burt baving seconded the
motion, Mr. Stanhope moved an amendment proposing .that the subject
should be referred to a Select Committee. He recommended that a
better use should be made of existing materials, and pointed out the
immense difficulty of obtaining the information sought for. He thought
the stupendous nature of the subject required that it should be con-
sidered tentatively, and he had no doubt that an enquiry by a Select
Committee would be the best way to deal with it. — Mr/F. S. Powell
contended that ample statistics had been given in the census returns,
and Mr. A. Acland, who referred to the largo sums saved by working
men in their co-operative societies and trade unions, maintained that
what was wanted to improve their condition was to increase the know-
ledge of the rank and file of those claases. — Mr. 3Iundella recognised
the value of statistics like those compiled in the various States of
Americs, but citlled attention to the difficulty of obtaining similar
materials in this country. A departmental committee of the Treasury,
the Board of Trade, and the Customs, he said, recommended two years
ago the compilation of statistics similar to those now asked for, and



he thought that recommendation should now be carified into effect. —
Mr. Bartley suggested the appointment of a Select Committee, which
was strongly opposed by Mr. Rogers, who advocated the collection of
statistics at once ; and, after some remarks from Mr. Lane, Mr. Stan-
hope's amendment was withdrawn, and the motion agreed to.

BARNSLET.^The annual meeting of the Bamsley Chamber of'
Commerce was held on the 6th of February, Mr. Alderman C. Brady
presiding. The report presented gave a resum^ of the matters con-
sidered by the Chamber during the year, and which have already
appeared monthly in this Journal. The council trusted that ere long
Bamsley and the district would emerge from a depression in trade
more severe than ever before experienced ; and that, in addition to
a revival in the coal and other trades, it might witness the introduction
of many new and important industries. On the motion of Mr. J.
Outwin, seconded by Mr. Boshell, the report and accounts were
adopted. Mr. Alderman Brady said that if it were intended in the
establishment of a Chamber of Commerce that its object was to fill the
books of merchants and coal -owners with orders, or alter the status of
employers and labourers, or in any way influence the inevitable laws
of supply and demand, then it might be considered that it had failed
in its action, for the Chamber had done nothing of that kind. One of
the most important things which Chambers m various parts of the
country did, was to give a commercial status to the town which it
hardly possessed — it being without what they might call a local
parliament of its own— of manufacturers and traders— to represent ^
their views to the Government of the day or bring their general ideas
as to commercial matters before those who had influence in high classes.
One of the great objects in which Chambers of Commerce had proved
to be useful, was in making a basis upon which they could work with
other Chambers throughout the country. There had been most useful
conferences held during the year — two in fact— and thus an amount of
usefulness and cumulative force as to the commercial interests of this
country could be brought to bear upon those who had to deal with
commercial legislation. He believed there was a great deal of wise
counsel brought to bear which must inevitably produce fruit. It was
little that a single town could do, even if it were a large one ; but where
there were a number of towns combined, and their commercial repre-
sentatives could meet and state their wants and make known their
views upon topics which interested their common pursuits, he thought
that the result must be largely beneficial in many ways. (Hear,
hear.) The trade of Barnsley was very varied, and he did not know
how, except through these Chambers, it could be brought together in
one common focus to give its proper effect, either in Parliament or
elsewhere. He was inclined to think that by their influence an ameunt
of unostentatious work had produced results of a beneficial nature,
although they were not so patent as wore produced in other directions.
(Hear, hear.) The transaction ol some formal business was. then
proceeded with. ^

BIRSTALL.— A meeting of the Birstall Chamber of Commerce
was held in February, the president (Mr. F. Marriott) in the chair.
The minutes of the previous meeting were read and confirmed. A
circular was read from the Incorporated Cliamber of Commerce, Liver-
pool, urging the Chamber to memorialise the Home Secretary to
introduce a bill in Parliament to amend certain sections of the BaUot
Act, so that the polling in all boroughs shall take place on one day, and
the county pollii^ on the next day but one after. The circular was
allowed to lie on the table seeing the matter was about to be brought
before the associated Chambers. The monthly trade report was
adopted. It was resolved, on the motion of Mr. Knowles, seconded by
Mr. John Iveson, that Mr. E. W. Wainwright be rec^uested to represent
this Chamber, at the annual meeting of the Associated Chambers, a
notice of which was read. A letter was also read from the Secre-
tary to the Commission of the Colonial and Indian Exhibition, submitting
a proposal made with a view of conferring on the working classes of
the United Kingdom opportunities for acquiring a more intimate
acquaintance wiUi the products and manufactures of the British
Colonies and the Indian Empire, by offering facilities in the shape of
railway travelling, &c. This letter was handed to the Chamber by the
Local Board, to whom it had been sent, intimating that the Board would
be glad to co>operate with the Chsjnber for the furtherance of the
scheme proposed. A committee was then appointed consisting of Messrs;
H. Marriott, James Whitehead and the Secretary, to confer with the
Board as to what steps should be taken to bring the matter before the
public. ,

BRADFORD. — The first meeting of the newly eloctod coimcil of
the Bradford Chamber of Commerce was held on the 28th January.^
Mr. J. M. McLaren in the chair. The secretary (Mr. J. Darlington) ^
read the following letter, which had been received from the Foreign'
Office :—" Foreign Office, January 23rd, 1886. Sir,— With reference,
to my letter of the I8th inst., I am directed by the Marquis Of «
Salisbury to acquaint you that the Italian Minister for.



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Foreiga Affairs has informed Her Majesty! a Ambassador at Rome
t)iat a further analysis of ihe mixed woollen stuffs referred to
in your letter of the 27th Kovember last has. shown the correctness of
iho statement made by your Chamber to the effect that the warp of the
selvedge is entirely composed of cotton. In these circumstances Sir
John Satille Lumley states that the Italian Minister of Finance will
give directions, to the Customs officials that these tissues shall be
admitted on a duty of ninety -three lire fifty centimes per quintal, under

, Ko. 1116 of the Italian Customs Tariff. —I am, sir, &c., Robt. A.
Bpurke." The president-elect (Mr. J. ^f. McLaren) said that in
accepting the office to which he had been elected that day he did so
with no madequate sense of the duties and responsibility he thereby
undertook, but he was encouraged by the remembrance and example of
Yormer presidents, some of whom, he might be allowed to say without
Jnvidiousness, had discharged the duties of this position with a zeal

' which he should endeavour to emulate, and with a capacity and com-
petence in the matter of statistical and other knowledge which he
feared he should not be able to lay claim to. Mr. G. Uoffmann gave
notice of resolutions which ho will movo at the next meeting of the
.council urging the establishment of an official oonditioning house for
Bradfprd, and inviting the town council toco-operate in such a project.
He said that serious difficulties had arisen with regard to the delivery

.' of yams to America, simpler on account of its being impossible to give
a certificate as to the condition of these yams when they left Bradford.
Yam which was in a fair condition in America was quite different from
yam in a fair condition here. English yarns contained a good deal
soore moisture than American yams. Tms involved unocrtaint3'. The
^American Consul, after considerable pressure, was goo<l enough, he
believed, to accept the conditioniug establishment opposite the
Exchange. It was not an official house, and therefore he thought it
would be desirable as soon as possible for the Chamber to come to some
agreement with the principal spinners in the trade a« to what was
reaUy the standard condition in Bradford; and afterwards to consider
the. best means of ascertaining whether any yarn, tops or noilR wore of
standard ccpidition or not.

.1 QLASGOW.«-*The ordinary monthly meeting of the Council was
held on the 8th o^ February) Sir James Bain^ president, in the chair.
ThjB committeo on foreign af&iirs reported that at a meeting on the 4th
thej had before them » remit from tiie 4ireolors on the subject of bime-
talbsnu After « lengthened disoassion, in the course of which the
feelizLg was generally entertained that the time had not yet arrived for
the Chamber usefully to express their opinion on the subject, it was
unanimously agreed to recommend to the effect that the subject matter
in the meantime stand adjourned. The same committee had a letter
before them from Mr. Panmure €K>rdon, recommending the C*hamber to
memorialise the Government to approach the Government of Qiina,
with the view of favouring an English syndicate in the oponing up of
CSuna b^ railwinrs, &c. The committee resolved to recommend that it
was advisable Her Migesty^s Government be addressed on the import-
ance of a firesh treaty with China, but that no action be taken in the
direction indicated by Mr. Gordon's letter. At the same committee
itfeeting a letter was read from the Scotch Mineral Oil Association
drawing attention to the differential duties charged upon Scottish oils
to their prejudice on their admission to Sjpain. The committee, how-
ever, advised the directors to lake no action in the meantime, in view
efthe recent replies from the Foreign Office on the subject of negotia-
tie*i8 with Spain for a commercial treaty. The secretary was instmcted
te reply to that effect to the Mineral Oil Association, and at the same
time to say that the communication would be kept in view when the
proper time arrived for taking action. Mr. Guthrie moved the adoption
of the minutes, and went at some length into the subject of bi-metallism.
Mr. Walter Duncan also spoke, and Mr. Galloway, who was also
invited by the Chairman to join in the discussion, said he had not
sufficiently studied the subiect to offer any remarks. He only knew
the^question in its practical results ^that he now only got Is. S^d. for
the rupeoj whereas he used to get 2s. 2d. for it. (Laughter.) The
nmiutes of the committee were then adopted. Mr. Stephen Mason,
M. P., moved — ** That the directors resolve to entertain the proposal
that a Finance Committee should be appointed by the House of
Commons for revising the estimatea, and that the question be remitted
to the Home Committee of the Chamber for coii8iderati<m. and to
report." It was agreed to remit the matter aimpliciter to the Home
Committee.

HALIFAX.— The annual meeting of the Chamber was held on the
^Oth January, Mr. T. Ormerod in the chair. The secretary read the report
recounting the year's work, and the president moved its adoption, *
remarking that he was glad to see the growing influence which the
Chamber poeseesed in the district, and felt quite assured that the more
its work was known in the district the more willing would the various
brandies of trade in the town and district be to make it the medium of
their efforts upon any trade question. The motion for the adoption of
the report was agreed to. The treasurer's account showed a balance in
hand of 128/. 6«. 6<r.



The usual monthly meeting of the Council of the Halifax
Chamber of Commerce was held on the 27th January, Mr. T. OrmerU
in the chair. The Chairman in cordial terms moved that Mr. Wil
Ambler be appointed President. Mr. Champney seconded this, andth^
motion was cordially agreed to. In taking the chair, Mr. AmWerex-

Sressed his high sense of the honour ; he trusted that in fulMog tltr
uties of the office he should have their hearty support, and notbiu^
should be wanting on his part towards furthering the interests of tht
Cliamber. Other elections followed. Mr, Ormerod thought that if other
C*hambers of Commerce in Yorkshire had the privilege accorded them
of receiving forms of tender for Government C4mtracts the Hililix
Chamber ought not to be left out in the cold. He mored thst the
Chamber make an application for such forms to be supplied to then.
Alderman Booth seconded the motion. If a place like Cleckbetton
oould be favoured in that manner, the Ha;Ufax district, which didalargr
trade in that branch, ought not to be overlookod. Mr. J. W. Davi^
supported it. - It was a subject in which the dyeing tnde j^^
specially interested. The motion was carried. Jl circular received
from the Edinburgh Chamber, urging an alteration in the tiling of
transfers of stocks and shares, was referred to a committee for coa-
sideration. It was decided to appoint as a deputation to the annual
meeting of the Associated C*hambers the president, two vice-president*
and Messrs. Ai-nold, Scarborough and Davis. Mr. Bairstow stTOoglv
tirged that subscribers should be invited to the monthly meetings of the
IkMird. He eventually moved a resolution to that effect, which Alder-
man Booth seconded. In his o|nnion such a course would add to the
usefulness of the Chamber, and place it more in touch with the people
at large. Mr. Ormerod said if any additional interest could be created
in the work of the Chamber by inviting subscribers, he Should be onlj
too glad, and therefore he cordially supported the resolution. Mr.
Scarborough said he did not think there would be any difficulty in their
obUuning the use of the Council Chamber in which to hold their meet-
mgs if that room became too small for their number. In a conversation
respecting the trade report in the iron branch, Mr. Farrar aaid th«t
orders in the madiine-making branch were fair ; those engaged in the
tool-making branch were rather quiet. The President : Is t^*'^*."^
wages dispute going on P Islr, Farrar : There i» an attempt heing
made to lower wages.

LEEDS.— The annual meeting of the Leeds Chamber of Commen-t
WAS held on the 27th January. Mr. T. D. Yates took the chair, m the
absence of the President (Mr. Joseph Hirst), who was prevented frwa
attending by indisposition. The Chairman moved thcjidoptionof we
report and statement of accounts, which were taken as read. Hf
alluded to the work of the past year, and said, referring to the ewij
tinned depression of trade, that many people would unfortunately i*'
disappointment in more respects than one. In regard to foreign tnw^
ho might sav that it was still hoped that some satisfactory arrangen^J
ofthiB Spanish tariff question would be arrived at. (Appla^ise.) in^
Council was of opinion that the visits of our Consuls from abroad couia
be made of very great service to the commerce of the Leeds <"""^'"
The rating of machinery was mentioned in the report. It ^?**°^lug
which would be again brought forward by their representatives at tb
Associated Chambers of Commerce meetings to be held in the '^'Jj''^
month. Kailwny rates and charges and telephonic charges ha4 ^
occupied the attention of the Council. He was gkd to bo able to sb
that the movement for the improvement of the postal ^"^^^^
with the Continent had, o^ing to the efforts of the members »<>J/^'
Bradford, Halifax, Wakefield, and other gentlemen, met with ver.
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in foreijB^n trade both in Leeds and in Bradford. (Hear, ^^^\i^^x
all practical purposes Paris and London had been rendered ^'""tT:^
from Leeds. (AppUuse.) In the pattern post for the ^^^S^Vcon.
was still room for improvement, and the question had ^fi^^^J^Jered
tinned attention of the Council. Indo-Chinese railways were ^^^'^^V^
highly desirable by that body, and a resolution to this ^^'^^^"J^pt^
at a general meeting of the Chamber some time ago. The ■*J*Jl^*jJ.
Act had ahso had the attention of the CouncU, and a ^e^^^^^^Juid
viding for the compulsory registration of deeds of *"'*'*f®'''?MCciftt€^
be brought up for discussion at the next meeting of the A» .^
Chambers. (Applause.) Mr. J. MarshaU, in seconding the ^f^^^^^ to
it was a melancholy thing lor the members of the Chamber to ^^^^
meet to talk upon such a condition of trade as at present ^^^
rHear, hear.) The only redeeming feature of the 8it"*jl^^ ]J.Pm
fact tliat workpeople had been well employed. Mr. ^*^^"vg qiite
spoke to the resolution. Bef erring to the report, *\®,*V«<,ntaitt«^
agreed that perhaps the most important paragraph which it j^yjiig
was that which stated that trade had not practicaUy "»P^?!!^ in the
the past year ; and, what waa worse, in the answers fi^Jf^j th»i
report to the queries of the Trade Commission, the 9?^?^ or other-
they could not recommend any measure, either by ^®fif*r* ^^^ did not
wise, which would eonduce to the improvement of trade, y^^g^ in
think that answer could be taken quite UteraUy, ^^^^^!!L^^0d^^'
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One of the most impoitant of them was with regard to the question of
railway rates and charges. Since that report was prepared, Sir B.
Samnelson had issued a very important report on the railways of the
( 'ontinent, and he thought tW if they had seen it early enough the
t Camber would have been a little more ready to suggest that legisla-
tion might be of great use. The report was adopted. On the motion
of 3fr. Buckton, seconded by Mr. Bartholomew, nine gentlemen were
elected to form the Council for the ensuing three years, in place of the
members retiring by rotation. Votes of thanks to the auditors, to the
members of Parliament for the borough for their assistance in Parlia-
ment, to Mr. Balfour for his presence, and to the chairman for x^re-
.Hiding, were then passed.

LUTON. — The annual meeting of the Luton Chamber of Com-
mcrco was held in January, Mr. Hugh Lunn presiding. The
Treasurer (Mr. Boughton) submitted his report lor the year.
It showed that the year had been begun with a balance in hand of
£22 16s. lOd., and the subscriptions amounted to £25 Hs. 6d. The
expenditure was £16 168. Sd., leaving a balance of £81 15s. Id.
The report was considered very satisfactory. The recent Straw
Plait Ezhibiiiony the classification of straw manufactures in the Board
of Trade Betums, the delegate to the Associated Chambers, and the
accommodation of the local post office were considered. The following

fentlemen wore elected Directors for 1886 :— Messrs. J. C. Kershaw,
. T. Harden, J. I. Wright, George Warren, William Webb, Charles
Mee«, Henry Brown, Bethel Wave, Hugh Gunn, William Austin,
.r. J. Kershaw, and H. Durler. Mr. J. T. Boughton was re-appointed
TreasTirer.

HANOHESTER.— llie annual meeting of the members of the
^lanchester Cliamber of Commerce was held early in February, Mr. J.
F. Hutton, ai.P., the President, in the Chair. *The President, in his
address, touched on several matters which had engaged the attention
r»f the Chamber during the past year, such as the opening up of
AVestem China, and the position of aftaii-s in Western Afnca, and
made special reference to the condition and prospects of trade generally.
Mr. W. Mather, M.P., Mr. W. H. Houldsworth, M.P., Mr. Fogg.
Mr. Geo. liOrd, Mr. J. A. Beith, Mr. Gray, and other members
afterwards spoke. Mr. Fogg questioned the wisdom of the action
which the Directors took in regard to the Eoyal Commission on Trade
Depression and wished to introduce the subject of the \'iews of certain
Directors with regard to free trade. In this he was ruled out of
order, his remarks having reference to matters which took place outside
the Cham^r, and he then gave notice of his intention to move at the
next meetmg a resolution recording the unswerving confidence of the
Chamber in the principle of free trade.

OLDHAH. — The second annual soiree of the Oldham Chamber was
held on the 18th of Januarj', the principal feature of this event being
the delivery of an address on Burmah, by Mi-. Holt S. Hallett. The
chair was occupied by the president of the Chamber, Mr S. 11. Piatt,
who, in opening the proceedings said that the work of the Chamber
during the past year, as shown by the annual report, had been satis*
factory. The Chamber had been jirincipally occupied in considering
railway extension in India, the reform of yam contracts, postal and
telegraphic facilities, and the inter-changeability of railway tickets on
the loc-Jil railways. He concluded by calling upon Mr. Holt S. Hallett
to deliver his address. Mr. Hallett, who was well received, drew attentiw
to the facts and figures in connection with the development of trade in
Burmah, tho Shan States, and South-west COiina with which our
readers are familar, touching especially upon such features as were of
particular interest to all engaged in the various industries in Oldham
and tho surrounding district. With reference to the railway projected
by Mr. Colquhoun and himself, Mr. Hallett said ho was informed that
British financiers had already applied to tho India Office, offering to take
up the system on most reasonable terms, and he trusted that these railways
would soon be undertaken by the two Governments, or that some such
ofler as that now being considered would bo accepted. After referring to
the severity of foreign competition, Mr. Hallett concluded as follows :—
* ' Surely we should wake up to our interests ere it be too late, and open out
to our commerce tho vast new markets which Mr. Colquhoun and I are
urging upon your notice. There is hardly aa industry in this country
that is not afibcted by foreign competition and hostile tariffs ; there is
not a workman in this country who would not be benefitted by the opening
up to our commerce of the vast land-locked markets of Indo-China and
China. VTe both trust that the members of this Chamber, the merchants,
manufacturers and working men of this town and district will lose no
opportunity to urge the importance and necessity of carrying out this
project, together with the further development of our Indian railway
system, upcoi whatever Government maybe in power, and that they will
not rest satisfied unless they see that every effort is being made, every
nerve is being strained, for the development and the utmost possible
expansion of our trade in the vast unopened markets of India, Chma and
the neighbouring regions." (Applause. ) The Mayor, in moving a vote of



thanks to Mr. Hallett, said that they must all agree as to the desirabilit]^
of impresdug on the Government of the day the importance of taking
the matter up in an earnest and spirited manner. Mr. Herbert Lees, wlio
seconded the resolution, observed that the grit of what Mr. Hallett had
told them really concerned Oldham very much. Not only was the cotton
trade concerned in the realisation of the scheme brought before them,
but they had in Oldham a large trade in machinery, bound up in a sense
with the cotton trade. The countries aboiut which Mr. Hadlett had*,
spoken imported a great deal of steel, and no doubt Oldham would bo
glad' to increase the supply twentyfold if it wero possible to do so. The
resolution was unanimously adopted, Mr. Hallett suitably acknowledging
the comnlimcnt. In the course of the evening the proceedings were



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