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Answer. I knew her when I was at Tayoltita; she is a step-daughter of said Judge
Guadalupe Soto ; she did not live at Tavoltita when I was in that district, but sue
came there occasionally, to visit the family of said Judge Soto, her step-f)Ather. She
WBs publicly well-known in that district as an abandoned woman, of vicious and vul-
gar habits.

Question 30. What is her general reputation for truth and veracity, in the said dis-
trict of San Dimas, where you say she was publicly well-known f
Answer. Very bad.

Question 31. From your knowledge of the general reputation of said Cecilia in that
district, for tmth and veracity, would you believe her under oath f
Answer. I would not.

Question 32. State whether an employee of the Abra Silver Mining Company was
murdered or not ; and, if yea, by whom was he murdered, under whose superintend-
ence of the company, and what was his name and his position with the company, and
the cause of said murder f

Answer. Captain Grove was the person. It was under the superintendence of Gen-
eral Bartholow. Mr. Grove was captain of the supply- trains, and one of the prin-
cipal employees of said company. He was murdered by said military, in the district
of San Ygnacio. State of Sinaloa^ while on the road to the company's mines, and a
train of mules loaded with supplies for the company were taken from Grove, as con-
ductor-in-charge of said train. I am, of course, familiar with the history of that
murder, by report, of the company's officers. I have heard it all, not only from the
company's officers, but the Mexican officials of San Dimas, Arcadia Laveaga, Maroos
Mora, Judge Soto, and the Prefect Macario Olvera, spoke freely to me of tnat affair,
and admitted the facts, and I have heard officers of the liberal army speak of it, ana
some of them condenmed, or said they condeomed, the cowardly plan of said capture,
and the brutal and unnecessary murder of Mr. Grove while trying to protect the
property of the company under his charge. The particulars of that capture and mur-
der, however, are better known to Thomas J. Bartholow, the first superindent.

Question 33. Did you know said Mexican witnesses, Ygnacio Manjarres. Julian
Romero, Paz Garrola, Martin Delgado, Jesus Torres, Francisco Acosta, andf Migael
and Arcadia Laveaga f and, if yea, where did you know them, who were they, what
was their occapation, and where did they reside during the mining operations carried
on there by claimant f

Answer. Yes, I knew them . I saw Ygnacio Manjarrez once or twice at San Dimas, after
he sold out his interest in said mines and hacienda to the Abra Company. He never vis-
ited the company's works or mines, to my knowledge, while De Lagllel or myself were
superintending, and I have never heard of his visiting the said mines and works.
207 He moved to yentanazj as I was informed, soon after disposing of hie interest in



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said minee to the compftny. and from Yentanai it was said he went to I>nnuigo. His
did not reside in the distnet of San Dimas at anv time while claimant was eany-
ing on said works under De Lagfiel's saperintendenoey or mine. Jesos Torres, aod
Francisco Acosta, both resided in the city of Daranso, while claimant carried on said
works. Said Torres was a lawyer in Darango, and said Aoosta a merchant there.
Jnlian Bomeio was living in a cave near La Coeva, about sixty miles from Tayoltita,
or from the company's works. He called himself a ranchero ; I never saw him at any
other place than at said eave. Pas Gnrrola and Martin Delgado resided in the town
of San Dimas all the time I was in that district. They were occupied in selling
whiskey y or mescal, and cigars. Miguel and Arcadia Laveaga also resided at San
Dimas. Migual Laveajg^a owned mines, but his son, Arcadio Laveaga, was engaged



principally as a politician, and office-holder.
Question 34. Hav



Question 34. Have you any interest, direct, continent, or otherwise, in the claim
of La Abra Silver Mining Companv, in support of which your deposition is here given,
or are you agent or attorney for claimant, or for any person having such interest?
Answer. No, sir.

(Signed) Chablbs H. Exall.

Witnesses:

R. E.STILWXIX.
CUVFOBD SAVILLB.

Subscribed and sworn to before me, this 12th day of June, 1874.

R. E. SriLWXLLk
U. 8. CammiitUmerfar ike Southern Diet of New York.

[SmI of the U. a Com*r, Mathem dial of K. T.]

Untied Statxs ov Amebioa,

SoMikem District and State of New York, Oily and Countif of New York^ u :

I, Richard E. Stilwell, United States commissioner for the southern district of New
York, do hereby certify, that the witness herein, Charles H. Ezall, of this city, and
who is known to me as the person named therein, appeared before me at the office of
the United States Commissioner for the said district, at the time stated therein, and
was lawfuUv sworn by me to state the truth as a witness on behalf of claimant in the
above-entitled matter, and that in answer to said interrogatories, suggested by coun-
sel for claimant and propounded by me, he deposed and testified as set forth in the
foregoing deposition ; and that at the conclusion, said deposition was carefully read
over to Mid witness by me, and that he thereupon confirmed the truth of all the
matters and facts therein stated by him, and attached his proper signature to the
same; in my presence, and in the presence of the subscribing witnesses; and I further
certify that sJEdd deposition was written down by Clifford Baville, who acted as my
clerk for this purpose, and that said Clifford Saville has this day testified before me
that he has no interest, direcUy or indirectly, in said claim of the Abra Company, and
he is neither agent nor attorney for claimant, nor for any person ha^iogsuch interest;
and I also certify, that I have no kind of interest, direct, contingent, or otherwise in
said claim, and tnat I am neither agent nor attornev for claimant, nor for any person
having such interest ; and I tnrther certify that I know said witness, Charles
206 H. E^U, to be a man of responsibility in this city, and of good character for
truth ana veracity, and that nis statements are entitled to full faith and credit.

Given under my hand, and the seal of the United States commissioner for the
southern district of New York, this, the twelfth day of June, A. D. 1674.

(Signed) R. £. Stllwbll,

U. S. CommUeUmer, for Hu Southern DietriotofNew York,

(Seel of IT. & Com*r., Mathem dist of N.Y.]



BebutHna evidence in re La Ahra Silver Mining Company vereue The Bipublie of Mexico.
DeipoHtion of Balph Martin Ufore the American and Mexican Claime Commieeioner,
Waehinifton, D. C.

United States of America, Southern District and State of New York,
Ojfice cf United Statu Commieeioner, City and County of New York^ ea :
Friday, 3 o'clock p. m., June 12th, 1874, before mo, Bichard £. Stilwell, United
States commissioner for tibie bouthern district of New York, personally appeared Ralph
Martin, who is known to me as the person here represented, and who, having been
introduced as a witness in behalf of claimant, and by me lawfully afimned to state
the truth, in answer to interrogatories suggested by counsel for claimant and pro-



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ponnded by me, lelatiiiK to the statements of witnesses for the defense in this canse,
and confined solely to the rebuttal of the same/ deposes and testifies as follows :

Question 1. State yoar name, age, oitizenship, and occupation f

Answer. M^ name is Ralph Mifftin ; age, forty-one years: occupation, not in active
business— livrng upon my private means : was bom m tms city, New York, where I
still reside, and wnere I have always had my permanent residence, although I have
traveled and resided temporarily in other countries. I am, and always have been a
citizen of the United States. My residence is No. 45 West 22d street, in this city.

Question 2. Where were you residing, temporarily, from about September, 1868, to
October, 1870 f

AnsTirer. In the district of San Dimas, in the State of Durango, Bepublic of Mexico.

Question 3. At what particular place did you reside in said district, and especially
in and during the months of April and May, 1870 1

Answer. At the *' Hacienda of the Candalaria Company," near the town of San
Dimas, in said district, State of Durango.

Question 4. Where was the seat of government for said district of San Dimas f

Answer. At said town of San Dimas.

Question 5. Are you acquainted with ** La Abra Silver Mining Company," the claim-
ant in this' case, or with any of claimant's employees or attorneys f and if yea, state
their names, occupation, and residence; and also where and when you first made
the acquaintance of the attorney or attorneys of claimants, and under what cir-
cumstances.

State fully what you recollect in relation thereto, without further questions.

Answer, lam not acquainted with said company, or, at least, I am not sure that

I am acquainted with any other member of said company than its president, Mr.

209 George C. Collins, whom I know personally ; he is a well-known wholesale tea

merchant, of New York. I am acquainted with Charles H. Exall, in this city,

who, as I onderstapd it, was the last superintendent or director of claimant's mines and

Eroperty in Mexico. His occupation is that of cashier of the banking-house of Wash-
ume i Thayer, No. 62 Broadway, New York, where I have met him. I am well ac-
quainted witn James Granger, who was once in the employ of claimant, as clerk and
book-keeper for said company, under Mr. Exall's superintendence, as Mr. Granger and
others have informed mc, and it is a well-known fa^t at San Dimas aforesaid. Said
Granger is a native of Scotland, an English subject, and, as I think, is now residing
in the said district, where I knew him during my residence in Mexico, from the faU
of 1868 op to the same time in 1870. I also knew claimant's attorneys. General A. W.
Adams, and Sumner Stow Ely, Esq., both of New York.

The circumstances under which 1 became acquainted -with General Adams, which
are called for by the question, are as follows : Sometime during the last days of the
month of April, 1870, while I was in charge of said ** Hacienda of the Candalaria
Company," in said district of San Dimas, Mexico, the said General Adams came to
said hacienda and presented a letter of introduction to me from one of my personal
friends of New York, requesting me to show him, said general, some polite attentions
during his sojourn in that part of Mexico, and I, of course, invited him to stop at
said hacienda, and to partake of my hospitalities so long as he remained in that dis-
trict, which invitation was accepted.

He came there with an escort, at the head of which was Colonel Francis F. Dana,
who bad been a lieutenant-colonel of cavalry in the service of the Mexican Bepublic,
during the so-called Imperial war. Colonel Dana acted as interpreter for General
Adams, while he remained in that district. They came there for the purpose of
taking dex>ositions, in support of the claim of said Abra Mining Company va, Mexico.
These are all the circumstances under which I became acquainted with said attorney,
which seem to be called for by the question.

Question 6. State whether you knew one Maria Cecilia Jimenez^ a witness for de-
fence, in the said district of San Dimas. Mexico, during your residence there, from
September, 1868, to October, 1870; and it yon did, who and what was she, where did
she reside, and if you know, what was her vocation, or calling in life, and to what
authority, or Mexican official, if to any in that district, is she related, and how re-
lated ; state also whether you were personally acquainted with her there, and if you
know whether she met the said General Adams in your presence at said hacienda, and
for what reason : and also if there was any other person living in that district called
'* Maria Cecilia Jitnenez t"

Answer. Yca— I knew said Maria Cecilia Jimenez, by sight, and by reputation
there^ and I knew her personally, I may say, for she used to come to said hacienda
occasionally, to visit an officer of my said company, with whom she was living as
companion or mistress, and I have frequently spoken with her, but I never recog-
nized her as a personal associate. Said Maria Cecilia Jimenez is the step-daufflrter of
Judge Soto—Guadalupe Soto— who was the local Judge of Tayoltita, in said district,
or at least she was so treated and recognized by md Soto, and she was claimed
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468 tH£ LA AfiRA SH^YEB MINING COMPANT.

210 she was so known and regarded in that district. Said Maria Ceoilia^s lather
was a Mr. Hernandez, of said State, bat the said Mariai Cecilia aoanired the

name of ** Jimenez " by the second marriage of her mother with a man of that name,
md by others tnere who knew their histoij.
id not liye at Tayoltita with the family of saidGaadalupe
le trayelled abont considerably, and went home to Tayol-
known her to reside at the said town of SanDimas for
I do not think she had any particular place of residence.
Dimas, and there was no other woman of that name in

that part of the question which relates to her yocation,

1 do not know, except by common report there ; her yo-
imendable. She was known and recognized by the pnblic,
loned, or lewd woman.

on a translated copy of the aUeged deposition of Maria
e been taken by and before one " Cipriano Qniroz,'' signed
itance for said district, at San Dimas, Darango, and re-
npreme Goyernment or the State," dated '*Angast 24th,

to Washington being certified ''Mexico, Noyember 8th,
s Arias, chief clerk," and which reads as follows, to wit :
iia Jimenez, called to testify in this case, who, after haying
L in regard to what should be asked of her, as far as she
r to the interrogatories as follows :
^e, condition in life, and residence f

me is as has been stated ; is 32 years of age ; is married ;
ral district."

that two Americans offered D. Santiago Granger 15.000
Bs, who would say that these operations in Tayoltita nad

of a disturbance, and that no one could be found to giye

he knows is that an American, called general, and whose
'ho lately came in company with Mr. Dana, was the person
nut, summoned some operatiyes, who were liying in Tayol-
loyed in his works, which operatiyes, haying made their
imony, the said general writing, and offering to pay them
te, whateyer it might be ; this was done without witnesses
f of any kind. That deponent afterward came to this
n the hacienda of the Caudalaria Company, saw that the
n^ry altercation with D. Santiago Granger, and with an
rtm, which arose on account that these gentlemen did not
9 that he had taken upon himself to receiye on his own
ise, in their opinion they were false, it being inferred that
» take adyantage of the ignorance of the deponents, who
Q ; that the resmt of this altercation was, that Don Rafael
ral out of his hacienda, saying to him that he did not wish
compromise to the company, or to Mexico, that would be
his unjust pretensions in taking it upon himself to alone
ma of the said operatiyes."

tion was concluded, to which, after it had been read to
aent, and said that she had nothing t«>add thereto or take
Ler, at her request, by Jos^ Antonio Cordoya, with me, the
tnesses." (Signed) - " Cipriano Quiroz, de la O," ** J. An-

n to say, Mr. Martin, as to the truth of this statement of
I in the aboye-qnoted deposition f Haying read the same,
ig its contents, go on and state all that took place, and all
^ou and by said Adams and Granger at the time and place,,
i to in said deposition, without further questions,
ured falsehood, from beginning to end, so far as it relate8>

or done by me, or by General Adams, Santiago Granger^
ons in my presence or hearing, or by report of others. I
1 this deposition of said Maria Cecilia Jimenez, eyideutly.
»out that, for there was no other American, or person called

said district of San Dimas, and no other in that State,.
t>eside8 which, it is true that the said attorney of claim-
Mr. Dana, his interpreter, and Santiago Granger, were all
cienda of the Caudalaria Company," of which I was in
in this quoted deposition of said Maria Cecilia Jimenez,.
Ig the last daysof April, or early in May, 1870: and I also*

at the same time, said Maria Cecilia Jimenez, ontshewaa
er step-father, the said Guadalupe Soto, Judge of Tayoltita,.



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THE LA AfiRA SILVER MINING COMPANY. 469

(n said district ; and I saw said Maria Cecilia come into the hacienda, I think, on the
same day, where she met the General and party named by her. It may be said of her
that she is bold and fearless, bat of insinuating manners, and on learning that the
strangers, General Adams and others, had stopped at said hacienda, she was attracted
there, and subsequently came, or forced herself into their presence, as stated. The
difference between the customs and usages of society, there and here, rendered her
conduct possible on that occasion, and not uncommon in that district. This explana-
tion is my answer to that part of the question as to whether she met General Adams
in my presence, and where, and it is the only answer I can jgive.

The small particle of truth contained in her said deposition, so far as it relates to
me, or to anything that occurred there is, that the parties named by her were there
at the time stated in her said deposition, but her ridiculous narrative of facts, as to
what occurred there between General Adams, James, or Santiago Granger, and my-
self, is an unmitigated falsehood from beginning to end, and it is destitute of aU ex-
cuse, and of all material firom which to make up, or invent such a story, as no such
'* angry altercation," nor anything else that might be so construed, ever took place
** with Don Santiago Granger and an American named Rafael Martin," nor did I ever
pretend to interfere with the conduct or business of said General Adams while he was
in that district, neither in taking depositions, or failing, as he certainly did, to get
them taken before Judge Milan, nor in anything else. All conversations at said
hacienda, and elsewhere, between said General Adams, Santiago Granger,

212 Colonel Frank Dana — ''Mr. Dana," and myself, were carried on exclusively in
the English language, of which Maria Cecilia Jimenez had no knowledge ; and

as she could not understand English at all, it would have been impossible for her to
have known the fact, even if such ** altercation " had taken place, and I had made
the foolish and uotiqst remarks about General Adams, and his efforts to have testimony
taken there, whicn is attributed to me in her so called deposition ; but I repeat, that
her said statement is a mere invention, a made up or fixed up statement, and evi-
dently for no good or worthy purpose.

Question 9. How long did said Adams remain in said district of San Dimas, and
where did he go from your said hacienda? State also whether you parted with him
in a friendly manner, or otherwise?

Answer. He remained there, I think, about six or eight days ; when he left said
hacienda, I went out to ^* see him off," and we parted in a friendly way— we had no
reason to do otherwise. He left there for Mazatlan, Sinaloa, and I have reason to
believe he went to Mazatlan direct, as I know of the time of his arrival there from
one of the men in my employ at said hacienda, who went down to Mazatlan with the
general and his party.

Question 10. Is it true that at his said visit to San Dimas in April or May, 1870,
any Mexican authority at Dimas took depositions for claimant, at the request of said
General Adams ; if yea, who was said authority, and who testified ? And if no depo-
sitions were so taken, state why they were not taken, and if any authority refused to
take them, state who that authority was, if you know ?

Answer. I believe no depositions were taken for said claimant at San Dimas. I
know that Anastacio Milan was then the Judge of 1st instance for that district. I
recollect of General Adams' complaints at that time, because he said that the wit-
nesses, who knew of the molestation and depredations upon the Abra Company and
its property, had come over from Tayoltita, a distance of fifteen miles, under a prom-
ise to tell the truth, and to state all that had occurred there, but that they had been
frightened away from San Dimas, as he then said, by the authorities there, and that
all of his witnesses, excepting two, had mysteriously disappeared, and that they gave
no testimony ; that Judge Milan turned the interpreter, Dana, and Granger, one of
claimant's witnesses, out of the court-room, and that General Adams was compelled
thereby to abandon said examination, and all hope of taking depositions in that dis-
trict; and that Granger, and some one or two other witnesses, went to Mazatlan in
order that their depositions might be taken before Isaac Sisson, the United States
consul.

This is all I know about the taking of depositions in this case, except that said
James, or *' Santiago Granger," and Matias Avalos, told me on their retam from Ma-
zatlan, in Ma^, 1870, that they. Granger and Avalos, had given their depositions in
support of this claim, before Isaac Sisson, Esq., the said American consul at Mazat-
lan ; and before leaving said hacienda, in April or May, 1870, General Adams again
complained to me, very bitterly, of the conduct of said Judge Milan, whom he then
accused of conspiracy with other authorities there, to frighten claimant's witnesses
away torn San Dimas, which they succeeded in doing, with but two exceptions, and
of dissuading the two witnesses fh>m testifying in this case, which was done, as he
said, in open court, and finally of turning said Granger, one of the witness, and Dana,
the interpreter, out of the court-room.

213 Question 11. What was the conduct of said attorney. General Adams, in April
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•YideDce in this oauM, so far as yoa know, or have heard from any good or reliable
authority f

Answer. So far as I know, or have heard from any reliable, or other source, Gen-
eral Adams conducted himself, and his said business there, honorably and with pro-
priety.

Question 12. State whether yon were, or not, acquainted with the general charac-
ter of said Maria Cecilia Jimenez, for trutli and veracity, in said district of San Di-
™«o u^ «^»«.n^«. ^» •^ublic repute, during your residence there, say from September,

October, 1870 T And if yea, was it good or bad f

i^asbad.

your knowledge of her g^eneral reputation for truth and verao-

vhere she resides and **is best known,'' would yon believe her

d not. I certainly would not belieye her, provided she had a
ct in swearing falsely than in telling the truth,
whether you know the value of said Abra Company's mines
>f the quantity and value of ores extracted an^ abandoned by
ling district ; or of the kind of consideration with which said
by the Mexican authorities there : or of the kind and degree of
to said company and its directors in its said mininf^ operations ;
Lhat said company, or other Americans in said Mexican States of

euloyed all necessary security, in a higher degree than the Mex-
1 if it is also true that the superintendent, and other American
a Company, were never molested nor interfered with by the
) people ; and whether it is true or false that the superintendent

Exall, was arrested and imprisoned there, and the works of
y reason of said molestation ; and whether it is true or false

of supplies belonging to the Abra Company were captured or
tary of the Republic, on the road from Mazatlan to Tayoltita;
le of the officers of said Abra Company, Mr. Grove, the captain
ply trains, was actually killed, or murdered, by said Mexicans,
bweeu Mazatlan, Sinaloa, and 8au Dimas, with a mule train of
ipany ; and, finally, whether there was any such thing known
Lion to the lives of the American employees, and the property of
er Americans, or whether any effort was made by Mexican au-
)h protection to them ; or if you know whether other American
A.bra were driven away from their works by like interferences
Mexican authorities, and by what authorities, and whether any
bher American employees were actually killed by said disturb-

Lnow the quantity or value of said ores extracted, nor of the



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