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played off the joke at Constantinople in the court of the Greek emperor,
as Bromton tells us (ed. Twysden, i. 911.)


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Many years ago a _Sonnet_, by Leigh Hunt, characterising the poets,
appeared in the _Examiner_. Can any of your readers inform me whether
the following, which I quote from memory, is correct?


"Were I to name, out of the times gone by,
The poets dearest to me, I should say,
Pulci for spirits, and a fine, free way,
Chaucer for manners, and a close, silent eye;
Spenser for luxury and sweet sylvan play,
Horace for chatting with from day to day;
Milton for classic taste and harp strung high,
Shakspeare for all - but most, society.
But which take with me could I take but one?
Shakspeare, as long as I was unoppress'd
With the world's weight, making sad thoughts intenser;
But did I wish out of the common sun
To lay a wounded heart in leafy rest,
And dream of things far off and healing - Spenser."

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Sir, - With thanks for the insertion of my former letter, I proceed to
submit a few literary queries for solution through the medium of your

In connection with the country of Wilts, I will first mention the
literary collections of the late Edward Poore, Esq., of North Tidworth,
which I examined, with much satisfaction, on my visits to him there, in
the year 1798 and 1799. Mr. Poore was a man of considerable attainments,
and corresponded with many distinguished characters, both at home and
abroad. He travelled over many parts of the continent, and his letters
and notes relating to public and private occurrences and persons were
remarkably curious and interesting. I have long lost all trace of them,
and should be glad to ascertain where they are likely to be found.

An immense boon would be conferred on the cause of Architecture and
Archæology by the recovery of Inigo Jones's Sketches and Drawings of
Ancient Castles. These, together with his Plans, Views, and Restorations
of _Stonehenge_, probably descended to his nephew, Webb. The latter were
engraved, and published in Webb's volume on Stonehenge; but the Sketches
of Castles have never yet been published. On the ground of Inigo Jones's
intimacy with Lord Pembroke, I was referred to the library at Wilton as
a probable despositor of his drawings, but without success; as I am
informed, they do not form a part of that valuable collection. Perhaps I
may be allowed to correct the error which so commonly ascribes the
erection of Wilton House to Jones. In the _Natural History of
Wiltshire_, by John Aubrey, which I edited in 1847 (4to.), it is clearly
shown that the mansion was built in 1633 by, or from the designs of,
Solomon de Caus, architect, who was probably aided by his brother Isaac,
and that it was rebuilt in 1648, after an extensive fire, by Webb, who,
as is well known, married a niece of Inigo Jones. The latter celebrated
architect recommended the employment of these parties, and probably
approved of their designs, but had no further share in their production.
His advice, however, to the Earl of Pembroke, was the means of
preserving the famous _Porch at Wilton_, ascribed to Hans Holbein, which
gives him a peculiar claim to the gratitude of all architectural

I possess a large collection of the manuscript journals, papers,
drawings, and correspondence of Dr. Stukeley. To the kindness of my old
friend Dr. Ingram, President of Trinity College, Oxford, I also owe a
large Bronze Medal, with a medallion portrait of Stukeley on the
obverse, and a view of Stonehenge on the reverse. This is evidently a
cast from moulds, and rather crudely executed, and I am induced to
regard it as unique. I shall be much gratified if any of your
correspondents can furnish me with a clue to its history, or to the name
of its maker. I would here venture to suggest some inquiry into the
biography of _Charles Bertram_, of Copenhagen, who furnished Dr.
Stukeley with the manuscript of the _Itinerary of Richard of
Cirencester_, which has led to so much curious discussion. It would be
interesting to learn whether Bertram's papers were bequeathed to any
public library at Copenhagen.

Sir James Thornhill was in the habit of making sketches and descriptive
memoranda in his various travels and excursions. Some years ago one of
his pocket-books was lent to me, in which he had not only written
notices of the places visited, but made very clever pen sketches of
several objects. Whilst in my possession, I copied many pages, and also
traced some of the drawings. Among the latter is a Market Cross at
Ipswich, long since destroyed, also the Sessions House and the Custom
House of Harwich, with various antiquities, &c., at Ryswich, Delph,
Tournay, Brussels, and the Hague. I have often regretted that I did not
copy the whole volume, as it contained many curious facts and anecdotes.
I have tried in vain to ascertain the name and address of the possessor.
He was a country gentleman, and lodged in Southampton Row, Russell
Square. The volume is dated 1711, and contains full accounts of
buildings and works of art. He says, "Killigrew told King Charles that
Ipswich had a large river without water, streets without names, and a
town without people."

In July, 1817, I published a small volume entitled _Antiquarian and
Architectural Memoranda relating to Norwich Cathedral_, in which were
two copper-plates, a ground-plan of the church, and a view of the west
front; with woodcuts of the font, and of the Erpingham gateway, both
engraved by John Thompson. The plates and cuts were sold by auction (by
Mr. Southgate of Fleet Street), with the stock of the work, and have
been resold by the purchaser. I have sought in vain to re-obtain the
woodcuts, and shall be gratified to find that it is still practicable.

After many years' search for the documents, &c., referred to in this and
my preceding letter, I am still reluctant to abandon their pursuit. That
valuable collections are sometimes protected from destruction, in
obscurity, for years, is shown by the loss and recovery of the
well-known collection of Architectural Designs and Drawings by John
Thorpe, now in the Soane Museum. That singular and interesting series
was in the possession of the Earl of Warwick, in the latter part of the
last century. In 1807 I applied to his lordship for permission to
examine it; but he informed me that Richard Cumberland, the author, had
borrowed it many years before, in order to submit it to Lord George
Germaine, and that it had not since been heard of. Thus, from before
1785, when Lord George Germaine died, the drawings were lost until about
thirty years afterwards, when I purchased them for Sir John Soane, at
the sale of the library of - - Brooke, Esq., of Paddington (probably a
relative of the Earl of Warwick), into whose possession they had
unaccountably passed.


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In Mr. Frederick Devon's _Pell Records_, vol. iii. p. 34., there is an
entry in the Issue Roll of Easter, 41 Henry III. 1257, of a payment.

"To the Brethren of the _Middle_ Temple, £4. in part of £8.
appointed alms for the support of three chaplains to celebrate
divine service, at Easter Term, in the 41st year, by writ patent."

And in p. 88. is the following writ for payment at Easter Term, 4 Edward
I. 1276: -

"Pay out of our Treasury, from the day of the death of the Lord
King Henry, our Father, of renowned memory, for each year, to our
beloved Master and Brethren of the Knights Templars in England, £8.
_which our father granted_ to them by his charter to be received
yearly at our Exchequer, for the support of three chaplains, daily
for ever, to perform divine service in the New Temple, London, one
of whom is to perform service for our aforesaid father, the other
for all Christian people, and the third for the faithful deceased,
as was accustomed to be done in the time of our aforesaid father.
Witness, &c."

I presume that there can be no doubt that the grant referred to in the
last extract is that which is mentioned in the first. But if so, what is
meant by "Brethren of the _Middle Temple?_"

Both entries are before the suppression of the order, and it was not
till long after the suppression that the Temple was occupied by the
lawyers as a place of study; nor till long after the establishment of
lawyers there, that is to say, more than a hundred years after the date
of the first extract, that the Temple was divided into two houses,
called, as now, the Inner Temple and the Middle Temple. Added to which,
the church of the Temple is in that division which is called the _Inner_

Can any of your correspondents favour me with the precise words of the
original record, or explain the meaning of the term used?


* * * * *


_Henry Lord Darnley._

Can any of your readers inform me where the celebrated Darnley, second
husband of Mary, Queen of Scots, was born? His birth took place in
England, where his father, Matthew Stuart, Earl of Lennox, was residing,
being banished from Scotland. Henry VIII. gave the Earl his niece in
marriage, and several estates in Yorkshire; among others, the lands of
Jervaux Abbey, and the adjacent manor of West Scrafton. Middleham
Castle, which was then perfect, and belonged to the King, lies between
these, and was probably at least an occasional residence of the Earl,
though we have no correct account of its occupants after the death of
Richard III.

W.G.M.J. Barker.

Banks of the Yere, Nov. 28. 1849.

_Coffee, the Lacedaemonion Black Broth._

Your "notes on Coffee" in No. 2. reminded me that I had read in some
modern author a happy conjecture that "coffee" was the principal
ingredient of the celebrated "Lacedaemonian black broth," but as I did
not "make a note of it" at the time, and cannot recollect the writer
from whom I derived this very probable idea, I may perhaps be allowed to
"make a query" of his name and work.


Eton, Nov. 26. 1849.

_Letters of Mrs. Chiffinch._

The Chafins, of Chettle, in Dorsetshire, possessed at one time some
interesting family memorials. In the third volume of Hutchins's
_Dorset_, pp. 166, 167., are printed two or three letters of Thomas
Chafin on the battle of Sedgemoor. In a manuscript note, Hutchins
alludes to letters, written by a female member of the family, which
contain some notices of the court of Charles II. Can your Dorsetshire
correspondents inform me whether these letters exist? I suspect that the
lady was wife of the notorious Chiffinch; and she must have seen and
heard strange things. The letters may be worthless, and it is possible
that the family might object to a disclosure of their contents. The
manuscript memorandum is in Gough's copy of the _History of Dorset_ in
the Bodleian Library.


_Sangred - Dowts of Holy Scripture._

In the will of John Hedge, of Bury St. Edmund's, made in 1504, is this
item: -

"I beqweth to the curat of the seid church iiij_s_. iiij_d_. for a
_sangred_ to be prayed for in the bedroule for my soule and all my
good ffrends soulls by the space of a yeer complete."

In the same year Thomas Pakenham, of Ixworth Thorpe, bequeathed 6 hives
of bees to the sepulchre light, "to pray for me and my wyffe in y'e
_comon sangered_;" and in 1533, Robert Garad, of Ixworth, bequeathed to
the high altar ij_s_. "for _halfe a sangred_."

Can any of your reader explain what the _sangred_ is? or give me any
information about the book referred to in the following extract from the
will of William Place, Master of St. John's Hospital, Bury St. Edmund's,
made in 1504: -

"Item. I beqweth to the monastery of Seynt Edmund forseid my book
of the _dowts of Holy Scryptur_, to ly and remain in the cloyster,"


_Catsup, Catchup, or Ketchup._

Will any of your philological readers be so obliging as to communicate
any _note_ he may have touching the original or definition of the word

It does not appear in Johnson's _Dictionary_. Mr. Todd, in his edition,
inserts it with an asterisk, denoting it as a new introduction, and
under _Catsup_ says, see _Catchup_. Under this latter word he
says - "Sometimes _improperly_ written _Ketchup_, a poignant liquor made
from boiled mushrooms, mixed with salt, used in cooking to add a
pleasant flavour to sauces." He gives no _derivation_ of the word
_itself_, and yet pronounces the very common way of spelling it

What reference to, or connexion with, _mushrooms_ has the word? - and why
_Catsup_, with the inference that it is synonymous with _Catchup_?


"_Let me make a Nation's Ballads, who will may make their Laws!_"

One perpetually hears this exclamation attributed to different people.
In a magazine which I took up this morning, I find it set down to "a
certain orator of the last century;" a friend who is now with me, tells
me that it was unquestionably the saying of the celebrated Lord Wharton;
and I once heard poor Edward Irving, in a sermon, quote it as the
exclamation of Wallace, or some other Scottish patriot. Do relieve my
uncertainty, and, for the benefit of our rising orator, tell us to whom
the saying ought to be set down.


_To endeavour Oneself._

In the Collect for the 2nd Sunday after Easter, in the preface to the
Confirmation Service, and in the form of Ordering of priest, the verb
"endeavour" takes (clearly, I think) a middle-voice form, "to endeavour
one's self." Is there any other authority for this usage? No dictionary
I have seen recognises it.


_Date of the Anonymous Ravennas._

Can you inform me of the date of the _Chorographia Britanniæ Anonymi


[This is a very difficult question. We should be glad to hear any
of our correspondents upon the subject.]

_The Battle of Towton._

The "Note" on the battle-field of Sedgemoor, induces a "Query"
concerning another equally celebrated locality.

It is well known in the neighbourhood, that the field of Towton, at
least that part of it which is now, and, according to tradition, has
remained pasture since the days of the wars of York and Lancaster,
produces two species of roses, which grow in stunted patches throughout
its extent. Has their presence ever been noticed or accounted for? If we
again allow tradition to give its evidence, we are told they were
planted on the graves of the fallen combatants.



_A Peal of Bells._

Mr. Editor, - The following question was put to me by a clergyman and a
scholar, who, like myself, takes an interest in the subject of Bells. At
first sight I fancied that a satisfactory answer could easily be given:
but I found that I was mistaken, and I shall be very glad if any of your
correspondents will favour me with a solution of the difficulty.

Can you _define_ what is a _Peal?_ Of course we know what is meant by a
_Peal of Bells_, and to _ring a Peal_; but I want it defined as to
duration, mode of ringing it, &c. &c. None of the old writers explain
what they mean by ringing a _Peal_.


Ecclesfield Vicarage, Dec. 11. 1849.

_Lines quoted by Goethe._

If any of your readers can inform me who is the author of the following
lines, quoted by Goethe in his _Autobiography_, he will greatly oblige
me: -

"Then old age and experience, hand in hand,
Lead him to death, and make him understand,
After a search so painful and so long,
That all his life he has been in the wrong."


King's College, Dec. 8. 1849.

_MS. Sermons by Jeremy Taylor._

I venture to send you the following note, as embodying a query, which I
am sure deserves, if possible, to be answered.

"Southey, _Omniana_, i. 251. Coleridge asserts (_Literary Remains_,
i. 303.), that there is now extent, in MS., a folio volume of
unprinted sermons by Jeremy Taylor. It would be very interesting to
learn in what region of the world so great a treasure has been
suffered to rust during a hundred and fifty years." - Willmott's
_Life of Bishop Jeremy Taylor_, p. 87.


_Papers of John Wilkes._

John Wilkes, it is well known, sent to the newspapers copies of Lord
Weymouth's and Lord Barrington's Letters respecting the riots in St.
George's Fields in 1768. We Can easily conjecture how he did or how he
might have, got possession of a copy of Weymouth's Letter, which was
addressed to the magistrates of Surrey; but Barrington's letter was
strictly official, and directed to the "Field officers, in staff
waiting, for the three regiments of Foot Guards." Has the circumstance
ever been explained? If so, where? Can any of your readers inform me the
_exact date_ of the first publication of Barrington's Letter in the
newspaper? Is it not time that Wilkes' Letters and MSS. were deposited
in some of our public libraries? They would throw light on many obscure
points of history. They were left by Miss Wilkes to Mr. Elmsley, "to
whose judgement and delicacy" she confided them. They were subsequently,
I believe, in the legal possession of his son, the Principal of St.
Alban's; but really of Mr. Hallam.


_John Ross Mackay._

The following is from a work lately published, _Chronicles and
Characters of the Stock Exchange_, by John Francis: -

"'The Peace of 1763,' said John Ross Mackay, Private Secretary to
the Earl of Bute, and afterwards Treasurer to the Ordnance, 'was
carried through and approved by pecuniary distribution.'"

Will Mr. Francis, or any of your contributors, inform me where I can
find the original statement?


* * * * *


Mr. Darling is preparing for publication a new edition of his
_Bibliotheca Clericales, a guide to Authors, Preachers, Students, and
Literary Men_. The object of this very useful publication, which
deserves to be made a Note of by all who may have Queries to solve in
connection with the bibliography of theology, cannot be better described
than in Mr. Darling's own words, namely, that it is intended to be "a
Catalogue of the Books in the Clerical Library, greatly enlarged, so as
to contain every author of any note, ancient and modern, in theology,
ecclesiastical history, and the various departments connected therewith,
including a selection in most branches of literature, with complete
lists of the works of each author, the contents of every volume being
minutely described; to which will be added an entirely new volume, with
a scientific as well as alphabetical arrangement of subjects, by which a
ready reference may be made to books, treatises, sermons, and
dissertations, on nearly all heads of divinity, the books, chapters, and
verses of Holy Scripture, the various festivals, fasts &c., observed
throughout the year, and useful topics in literature, philosophy, and
history, on a more complete system than has yet been attempted in any
language, and forming an universal index to the contents of all similar
libraries, both public and private." The work will be published in about
24 monthly parts, and will be put to press so soon as a sufficient
number of subscribers are obtained to cover the expense of printing.

Mr. Jones, the modeller, of 125. Drury Lane, who as our readers may
remember, produced some time since so interesting "a copy in little" of
the monument of our great bard in the church of Stratford-upon-Avon, has
just completed similar models of Bacon's monument, in St. Michael's
Church, St. Alban's; of Sir Isaac Newton's, in the chapel of Trinity
College, Cambridge; and, lastly, of that of the "Venerable Stow," from
the church of St. Andrew Undershaft. Many of the admirers of those old
English worthies will, we doubt not, be glad to possess such interesting
memorials of them.

Mr. Thorpe has published a _Catalog of some Interesting, Rare, and
Choice Books_, which he has recently purchased, and which had been
collected by the celebrated antiquary and author, Browne Willis. Many of
them contain important manuscript notes and anecdotes by him,
particularly in his own publications; and the Catalogue, therefore, like
all which Mr. Thorpe issues, contains numerous notes highly interesting
to bibliographical and literary antiquaries. Thus, in a copy of
_Antonini Iter Britanniarum_, he tells us Browne Willis has inserted the
following biographical note: -

*.* "My very worthy friend Roger Gale, the Author of this and many
other learned works, dyed at his seat at Scruton, co. York, June
26, 1744, aged about 72, and was by his own direction buried
obscurely in the churchyard there."

The following interesting articles we reprint entire, as forming
specimens of the rarities which Mr. Thorpe offers in the present
Catalogue, and the tempting manner in which he presents them: -

THE SLIGHTEST DEFECT OR REPAIR, folio, _in old Oxford calf binding, from
Browne Willis's Library, £105_.


*.* One of the most interesting specimens of Caxton's press. No other
perfect copy, I believe, has occurred for sale. The Aleborne copy,
(imperfect, wanting the Epitaph upon Chaucer, WHICH IS REPRINTED IN SOME
EDITIONS OF HIS WORKS, and other leaves,) sold for 53l. 11s. It is one
of the earliest productions of the father of the English press, and
claims a very great additional interest from being translated by the
Poet Chaucer. CAXTON gives us the following reasons that induced Chaucer
to translate, and himself to print it: - "Forasmoche as the stile of it
is harde, and difficile to be understoode of simple persones, therefore
the worshipful Fader and first founder and embelisher of ornate
eloquence in our _English_, I mene Maister _Geffrey Chaucer_, hath
translated it out of _Latyn_, as neygh as is possible to be understande;
wherin, in myne oppynon, he hath deserved a perpetual lawde and thanke
of al this noble Royame of _England_. Thenne, forasmoche as this sayd
boke so translated is rare, and not spred ne knowen as it is digne and
worthy for the erudicion of such as ben ignoraunte, atte requeste of a
singuler frend and gossop of myne, _I, William Caxton_, have done my
devoir temprynte it in fourme as is hereafore made."

3653 FOX (EDWARD) BISHOP OF HEREFORD, True Dyfferens Between ye Regall
Power and the Ecclesiasticall Power, translated out of Latyn by Henry
Lord Stafforde, _and dedicated by him to the Protector Somerset_, black
letter, 8vo. _fine copy, morocco, gilt edges_, EXTREMELY RARE, 6l. 6s.

_Imprinted at the sign of the Rose Garland, by W. Copland, n.d._

*.* This extraordinarily rare volume was written by Edward Fox, Bishop
of Hereford, according to Strype and Leland - _see the latter's encomium
upon it_. Lord Herbert supposed it to have been written by King Henry
VIII. It is one of the most interesting and rare volumes relative to
church history. The noble translator states that it was lent him by his
friend Master Morison, and finding the difference between the power
regal and ecclesiastical so plainly set out, and so purely explained,
that rather than his countrie should be utterly frustrated of so great
fruyte as myght growe by redynge thereof, I thought it well-bestowed
labour to turn it into Englishe.

worke not unpleasant to be read, nor unprofitable to be followed, IN
VERSE, _dedicated to George Dowse_, 4to. _remarkably fine copy_, UNCUT,
_morocco elegant, gilt edges_, EXCESSIVELY RARE IF NOT UNIQUE, 10l. 10s.

_Imprinted for R. Howell, 1600_.

*.* This curious poem, consisting of 120 verses of six lines each, is of
BIBLIOGRAPHERS. The author is styled by Phillips, in his Theatrum
Poetarum, as that "fine old Queen Elizabeth's gentleman," and is ranked
in the class of poets next to Spenser. The present volume acquires an
additional interest from being the _first production of the Author_,
which is thus expressed in the dedication: "These first fruites of my

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