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daie, the witch hath power upon their cattell all the yere following."

The next paragraph observes that "they spitt in the face; Sir R. Shee spat
in Ladie - - face."

Spenser alludes to spitting on a person for luck, and I have experienced
the ceremony myself.


_Charm for Warts._ - I remember in Leicestershire seeing the following charm
employed for removal of a number of warts on my brother, then a child about
five years old. In the month of April or May he was taken to an ash-tree by
a lady, who carried also a paper of fresh pins; one of these was first
struck through the bark, and then pressed through the wart until it
produced pain: it was then taken out and stuck into the tree. Each wart was
thus treated, a separate pin being used for each. The warts certainly
disappeared in about six weeks. I saw the same tree a year or two again,
when it was very thickly studded over with old pins, each the index of a
cured wart.

T. J.


_The Devil._ -

"According to the superstition of the west countries if you meet the
devil, you may either cut him in half with a straw, or force him to
disappear by spitting over his horns." - _Essays on his own Times_, by
S. T. Coleridge, vol. iii. p. 967.

J. M. B.

If you sing before breakfast you will cry before supper.

If you wish to have luck, never shave on a Monday.

J. M. B.

_"Winter Thunder," &c._ - I was conversing the other day with a very old
farmer on the disastrous rains and storms of the present season, when he
told me that he thought we had not yet seen the worst; and gave as a reason
the following proverb:

"Winter thunder and summer flood
Bode England no good."

H. T.

Ingatestone Hall, Essex.

* * * * *


Malta affords a fine field for antiquarian research; and in no part more so
than in the neighbourhood of Citta Vecchia, where for some distance the
ground is dotted with tombs which have already been opened.

Here, in ancient times, was the site of a burial-place, but for what
people, or at what age, is now unknown; and here it is that archæologists
should commence their labours, that in the result they may not be
disappointed. In some of the tombs which have been recently entered in this
vicinity, fragments of linen cloth have been seen, in which bodies were
enveloped at the time of their burial; in others glass, and earthen
candlesticks, and jars, hollow throughout and of a curious shape; while in
a few were earrings and finger-rings made of the purest gold, but they are
rarely found. {82}

There cannot be a doubt that many valuable antiquities will yet be
discovered, and in support of this presumption I would only refer to those
now known to exist; the Giant's Tower at Gozo, the huge tombs in the
Bengemma Hills, and those extensive and remarkable ruins at Krendi, which
were excavated by order of the late Sir Henry Bouverie, and remain as a
lasting and honourable memento of his rule, being among the number.

An antiquary, being at Malta, cannot pass a portion of an idle day more
agreeably than in visiting some singular sepulchral chambers not far from
Notabile, which are built in a rocky eminence, and with entrances several
feet from the ground. These are very possibly the tombs of the earliest
Christians, who tried in their erection "to imitate that of our Saviour, by
building them in the form of caves, and closing their portals with marble
or stone." When looking at these tombs from a terrace near the Cathedral,
we were strongly reminded of those which were seen by our lately deceased
friend Mr. John L. Stephens, and so well described by him in his _Incidents
of Travel_ in eastern lands. Had we time or space, we should more
particularly refer to several other interesting remains now scattered over
the island, and, among them, to that curious sepulchre not a long time ago
discovered in a garden at Rabato. We might write of the inscription on its
walls, "In pace posita sunt," and of the figures of a dove and hare which
were near it, to show that the ashes of those whom they buried there were
left in peace. We might also make mention, more at length, of a tomb which
was found at the point Beni Isa in 1761, having on its face a Phoenician
inscription, which Sir William Drummond thus translates:

"The interior room of the tomb of Ænnibal, illustrious in the
consummation of calamity. He was beloved. The people, when they are
drawn up in order of battle, weep for Ænnibal the son of Bar Malek."

Sir Grenville Temple remarks, that the great Carthaginian general is
supposed, by the Maltese, to have been a native of their island, and one of
the Barchina family, once known to have been established in Malta; while
some writers have stated that his remains were brought from Bithynia to
this island, to be placed in the tomb of his ancestors; and this
supposition, from what we have read, may be easily credited.

Might I ask if there is any writer, ancient or modern, who has recorded
that Malta was not the burial-place of Hannibal?

W. W.


* * * * *

Minor Notes.

_Waterloo._ - I do not know whether, in any of the numerous lives of the
late Duke of Wellington, the following fact has been noticed. In Strada's
History of the Belgian war (a work which deserves to be better known and
appreciated than it is at present), there occurs a passage which shows
that, about three hundred years since, Waterloo was the scene of a severe
engagement; so that the late sanguinary struggle was not the first this
battle-ground has to boast of. The passage occurs in _Famianæ Stradæ de
Bello Belgico, Decas prima_, lib. vi. p. 256., edit. Romæ, 1653; where,
after describing a scheme on the part of the insurgents for surprising
Lille, and its discovery by the Royalists, he goes on:

"Et Rassinghemius de Armerteriensi milite inaudierat: nihilqve moratvs
selectis centvmqvinqvaginta peditibvs et equitibus sclopetariis fermè
qvinqveginta prope _Waterlocvm_ pagvm pvgnam committit."

What makes this more curious is, that, like the later battle, neither of
the contending parties on this occasion were natives of the country in
which the battle was fought, they being the French Calvinists on one side
and the Spaniards on the other.


"_Tuch._" - In "The Synagogue," attached to Herbert's _Poems_, but written
by Chr. Harvie, M.A., is a piece entitled "The Communion Table," one verse
of which is as follows:

"And for the matter whereof it is made,
The matter is not much,
Although it be of _tuch_,
Or wood, or mettal, what will last, or fade;
So vanitie
And superstition avoided be."

S. T. Coleridge, in a note on this passage, printed in Mr. Pickering's
edition of Herbert, 1850 (fcap. 8vo.), says:

"_Tuch_ rhyming to _much_, from the German _tuch_, cloth: I never met
with it before as an English word. So I find _platt_, for foliage, in
Stanley's _Hist. of Philosophy_, p. 22."

Whether Coleridge rightly appreciated Stanley's use of the word _platt_, I
shall not determine; but with regard to _touch_, it is evident that he went
(it was the tendency of his mind) to Germany for error, when truth might
have been discovered nearer home. The context shows that _cloth_ could not
have been intended, for who ever heard of a table or altar made of cloth?
The truth is that the poet meant _touchstone_, which the author of the
_Glossary of Architecture_ (3rd edit., text and appendix) rightly explains
to be "the dark-coloured stone or marble, anciently used for tombstones. A
musical sound" (it is added) "may be produced by touching it sharply with a
stick." And this is in fact the reason for its name. The author of the
_Glossary of Architecture_ cites _Ben Jonson_ by Gifford, viii. 251., and
_Archæol._, xvi. 84.


Lincoln's Inn.


_The Dodo._ - Among the seals, or rather sulphur casts, in the British
Museum, is one of Nicholas Saumares, anno 1400. It represents an esquire's
helmet, from which depends obliquely a shield with the
arms - supporters - dexter a unicorn, sinister a greyhound; crest, a bird,
which from its unwieldy body and disproportionate wings I take to be a
Dodo: and the more probability attaches itself to this conjecture, since
_Dodo_ seems to have been the surname of the Counts de Somery, or Somerie
(query Saumarez), as mentioned in p. 2. of Add. MSS. 17,455. in the British
Museum, and alluded to in a former No. of "N. & Q." This seal, like many
others, is not in such a state of preservation as to warrant the assertion
that we have found a veritable Dodo. I only offer it as a hint to MR.
STRICKLAND and others, that have written so learnedly on this head. Burke
gives a falcon for the crest of Saumarez; but the clumsy form and figure of
this bird does not in any way assimilate with any of the falcon tribe.

Dodo seems also to have been used as a Christian name, as in the same
volume of MSS. quoted above we find Dodo de Cisuris, &c.


_Francis I._ - Mention has been made in "N. & Q." of Francis I.'s celebrated
"Tout est perdu hormis l'honneur!" but the beauty of that phrase is lost in
its real position, - a long letter to Louisa of Savoy, his mother. The
letter is given at full length in Sismondi's _Histoire des Français_.

M - A L.

* * * * *



In 1662 Anthony Marshall, D.D., was Rector of Bottesford, in
Leicestershire. Nichols adds a _query_ after his name; whether he were of
the Bishop of Exeter's family? and a _note_, that Anthony Marshall was
created D.D. at Cambridge in 1661 by royal mandate (_Hist. Leic._, vol ii.
p. 77.); and again, Dr. Anthony Marshall preached a Visitation Sermon at
Melton in 1667, Aug. 11. I do not find that any Bishop of Exeter bore the
name of Marshall except Henry Marshall in 1191, of course too far back to
suppose that the Query could refer to him; but I have not introduced this
Note to quarrel with Mr. Nichols, but to ask if this is all that is known
of a man who must, in his day, have attained to considerable eminence. I
more than suspect that this Dr. Marshall was a native of Staveley in
Derbyshire. Sir Peter Frescheville, in his will, dated in 1632, gives to
St. John's College, Cambridge, 50l. "for the buying of bookes to furnish
some one of the desks in the new library lately built and erected in the
said college; and expresses his desire that the said money shall be layed
forth, and the bookes bought, provided, and placed in the said library by
the paines, care, and discression of his two loveing friends, Mr. Robert
Hitch, late Fellow of Trinity College in Cambridge; and Mr. Robert
Marshall, Fellow of St. John's College[5]; or the survivor of them," - which
last Robert, I suspect, should be Anthony.

In 1677 Anthony Marshall, D.D., Rector of Bottesford, was a subscriber of
10l. towards a fund then raised for yearly distribution; and there is only
one name precedes his, or subscribes a larger amount, and that is Dr. Hitch
before named.

Mr. Bagshaw, in his _Spiritualibus Pecci_, 1701, p. 61., referring to
Thomas Stanley, one of the ejected ministers, says:

"Mr. Stanley was born at Dackmonton, three miles from Chesterfield,
where he had part of his education, as he had another part of it at
Staley, not far from it. His noted schoolmaster was one Mr. Marshall,
whose brother made a speech to King James I."

Is there any means of corroborating this incident? In 1682 I observe the
name of Dr. Marshall amongst the King's Chaplains in Ordinary, and a Dr.
Marshall (perhaps the same individual) Dean of Gloucester; but whether
identified in the Doctor about whom I inquire, remains a Query.

U. J. S.


[Footnote 5: [There is a Latin epigram, by R. Marshall of St. John's
College, Cambridge, prefixed to John Hall's _Poems_, published in
1646. - ED.]]

* * * * *


We are told by Bede that _Lindisfarne_, now Holy Island, derives the first
part of its name from the small brook Lindis, which at high water is quite
invisible, being covered by the tide, but at low water is seen running
briskly into the sea. Now I should be glad to know the precise meaning of
_Lindis_. We are informed by etymologists, that _Lyn_ or _Lin_, in names of
places, signifies water in any shape, as lake, marsh, or stream: but what
does the adjunct _dis_ mean? Some writers assert that _Lindis_ signifies
the linden-tree; thus making the sound an echo to the meaning: and hence
they assume that Lindesey in Lincolnshire must signify an Isle of
Linden-trees. But it is very doubtful that such a tree ever existed in
Lincolnshire anterior to the Conquest. The _linden_ is rather a rare tree
in England; and the two principal species, the _Tilia Europea_ and the
_Tilia grandifolia_, are said by botanists not to be indigenous to this
country, but to have been introduced into our island at an early period to
adorn the parks of the nobles, and certainly not till after the Conquest.

Dr. Henry, in his _History of Britain_, vol. iv., gives the meaning of
"Marsh Isle" to Lindsey, and of "Lake Colony" to Lincolnia. This I consider
the most probable signification to a district {84} that abounded in marshes
at that early period, when the rude Briton or the Saxon applied names to
places the most consonant to the aspects they afforded them: nor is it
likely they would give the name of Lindentree to a small brook, where such
a tree never could have grown.

As to the antiquity of the name of Lindes or Lindesey, I should say
Lindentree must be of comparatively modern nomenclature. I should, however,
be glad to have the opinion of some of your better-informed etymologists on
the meaning of the word, as it may decide a point of some importance in

J. L.


* * * * *

Minor Queries.

_Smock Marriage in New York._ - In a curious old book, entitled _The
interesting Narrative of the Life of Oulandah Equiano, or Gustavus Vassa,
the African, written by himself_, and published in London, by subscription,
in 1789, I find the following passage:

"While we lay here (New York, A.D. 1784) a circumstance happened which
I thought extremely singular. One day a malefactor was to be executed
on a gallows, but with a condition that if any woman, having nothing on
but her shift, married the man under the gallows, his life was to be
saved. This extraordinary privilege was claimed; a woman presented
herself, and the marriage ceremony was performed." - Vol. ii. p. 224.

Perhaps some of your New York correspondents can say whether the annals of
that city furnish evidence of so extraordinary an occurrence.


_The broken Astragalus._ - Where was the broken astragalus, given by the
host to his guest, first used as the symbol of hospitality?


_Penardo and Laissa._ - Who is the author of a poem (the title-page of which
is wanting) called _The Historye of Penardo and Laissa_, unpaged, in
seventeen caputs, with poems recommendatory, by Drummond of Hawthornden and
others, small 4to., containing many Scotticisms?

E. D.

_St. Adulph_ (Vol. v., pp. 566, 567.). - Capgrave, quoting John of Tynemouth
(?), says:

"Sanctum igitur Adulphum audita ejus fama ad _trajectensem_[6]
ecclesiam in episcopum _rex_ sublimavit."

Query 1. Who is the "rex" here mentioned?

Query 2. "Trajecteasem:" ought this to be applied to "Utrecht" or
"Maestricht," or either? Literally, it is "on the other side of the water."

A. B.

[Footnote 6: "trajectensem" (passim) corrected from "trajecteasem" by
erratum in Issue 170. - Transcriber.]

_St. Botulph_ (Vol. v., pp. 566, 567.). - Your correspondent C. W. G. says:

"His (St. Botulph's) life was first put into regular form by
Fulcard.... Fulcard tells us what his materials were.... An early MS.
of _this_ life is in the Harleian Collection, No. 3097. It was printed
by Capgrave in the _Legenda Nova_."

Query: _Fulcard's_ life of the saint, or the life by some other person:
John of Tynemouth to wit?

A. B.

_Tennyson._ - Mr. Gilfillan, in his _Literary Gallery_, speaking of that
fine poem "The Two Voices," says that the following line -

"You scarce could see the grass for flowers" -
P. 308. l. 18., 7th edit.

is borrowed from one of the old dramatists. Could you or any of your
correspondents tell me what the line is?

As also the Latin song referred to in "Edwin Morris:"

"Shall not love to me,
As in the Latin song I learnt at school,
Sneeze out a full God-bless-you right and left?"
P. 231. l. 10., 7th edit.

My last Tennyson Query is about the meaning of -

"She to me
Was proxy-wedded with a bootless calf,
At eight years old."
_Princess_, p. 15. l. 18., 4th edit.

H. J. J.


_"Ma Ninette," &c._ - Can any of your French readers tell me the
continuation, if continuation there be, of the following charming verses;
as also where they come from?

"Ma Ninette a quatorze ans,
Trois mois quelque chose;
Son teint est un printemps,
Sa bouche une rose."

H. J. J.

_Astronomical Query._ - You style your paper a medium of communication
between literary men, &c. I trust this does not exclude one of my sex from
seeking information through the same channel.

We have had additions to our solar system by the discovery of four planets
within the last few years. Supposing that these planets obey the same laws
as the larger ones, they must be at all times apparently moving within the
zodiac; and considering the improvements in telescopes within the last
seventy years, and the great number of scientific observers at all times
engaged in the pursuit of astronomy both in Europe and North America, I am
at a loss to understand why these planets were not discovered before.

I suppose we may not consider them as new creations attached to our solar
system, because the law of perturbations on which Mr. Herschel {85}
discourses at length, in the eleventh chapter of his _Treatise on
Astronomy_, would seem to demonstrate that they would interfere with the
equilibrium of the solar system.

Would some of your scientific contributors condescend to explain this
matter, so as to remove the ignorance under which I labour in common with,
I believe, many others?



_Chaplains to Noblemen._ - Under what statute, if any, do noblemen appoint
their chaplains? and is there any registry of such appointments in any
archiepiscopal or episcopal registry?


_"More" Queries._ -

"When _More_ some years had Chancellor been,
No _more_ suits did remain;
The same shall never _more_ be seen,
Till _More_ be there again."

I infer from the first lines of this epigram that Sir Thomas More, by his
unremitting attention to the business of the Court of Chancery, had brought
to a close, in his day, the litigation in that department. Is there any
authentic record of this circumstance?

Are there, at the present day, any male descendants of Sir Thomas More, so
as to render possible the fulfilment of the prophecy contained in the last
two lines?


St. Lucia.

_Heraldic Query._ - To what families do the following bearings belong? 1.
Two lions passant, on a chief three spheres (I think) mounted on pedestals;
a mullet for difference. The crest is very like a lily reversed. 2. Ermine,
a bull passant; crest, a bull passant: initials "C. G."

U. J. S.


_"By Prudence guided," &c._ - Can any of the readers of "N. & Q." supply me
with the words deficient in the following lines, and inform me from what
author they are quoted? I met with them on an old decaying tomb in one of
the churchyards in Sheffield:

"By prudence guided, undefiled in mind,
Of pride unconscious, and of soul refined,
. . . . conquest . . . . . . . . subdue
With . . . . . . . . . . . . . .in view
Here . . . . . . . . the heaven-born flame
Which . . . . . . . from whence it came."

W. S. (Sheffield.)

_Lawyers' Bags._ - I find it stated by Colonel Landman, in his _Memoirs_,
that prior to the trial of Queen Caroline, the colour of the bags carried
by barristers was green; and that the change to red took place at, or
immediately after, the event in question. I shall be glad of any
information both as to the fact of such change having taken place, and the
circumstances by which it was brought about and accompanied.

J. ST. J. Y.


_Master Family._ - Can you refer me to any one who may be able to give me
information respecting the earlier history of the family of Master or
Maistre, of Kent, prior to 1550: and any suggestions as to its connexion
with the French or Norman family of Maistre or De Maistre? This being a
Query of no public interest, I inclose a stamped envelope, according to the
wish expressed by you in a recent Number.


Welsh-Hampton, Salop.

_Passage in Wordsworth._ - Can any of your correspondents find an _older
original_ for Wordsworth's graceful conceit, in his sonnet on Walton's
lines -

"There are no colours in the fairest sky
As fair as these: _the feather whence the pen_
_Was shaped, that traced the lives of these good men,_
_Dropt from an angel's wing_" -

than the following:

"whose noble praise
Deserves a quill pluckt from an angel's wing."

Dorothy Berry, in a Sonnet prefixed to Diana Primrose's _Chain of
Pearl, a Memorial of the peerless Graces, &c. of Queen Elizabeth_:
published London, 1639, - a tract of twelve pages.

M - A L.


_Govett Family._ - Can you inform me for what town or county Sir - -
Govett, Bart., was member of parliament in the year 1669, and what were his
armorial bearings? His name appears in the list of members given in page
496. of the Grand Duke Cosmo's _Travels through England_, published in
1821. Is the baronetcy extinct? If so, who was the last baronet, and in
what year? Where he lived, or any other particulars, will much oblige.


_Sir Kenelm Digby._ - Why is Sir Kenelm Digby represented, I believe always,
with a sun-flower by his side?


_Riddles._ - It would take up too much of your valuable time and space to
insert all the riddles for which correspondents cannot find answers; but
will you find means to ask, through your pages, if any clever Oedipus would
allow me to communicate to him certain enigmas which puzzle me greatly, and
which I should very much like to have solved.


_Straw Bail._ - Fielding, in his _Life of Jonathan Wild_, book i. chap. ii.,
relates that Jonathan's aunt

"Charity took to husband an eminent gentleman, whose name I cannot
learn; but who was famous for {86} so friendly a disposition, that he
was bail for above a hundred persons in one year. He had likewise the
remarkable humour[7] of walking in Westminster Hall with a straw in his

What was the practice here referred to, and what is the origin of the
expression "a man of straw," which is commonly applied to any one who
appears, or pretends to be, but is not, a man of property?

Straw bail is, I believe, a term still used by attorneys to distinguish
insufficient bail from "justifiable" or sufficient bail.


[Footnote 7: "humour" corrected from "honour" by erratum in Issue
170. - Transcriber.]

_Wages in the West in 1642._ - The Marquis of Hertford and Lord Poulett were
very active in the West in the year 1642. In the famous collection of
pamphlets in the British Museum (113, 69.) is contained Lord Poulett's
speech at Wells, Somerset:

"His lordship, with many imprecations, oaths, and execrations (in the
height of fury), said that it was not fit for any yeoman to have
allowed him from his own labours any more than the poor moiety of ten
pounds a-year; and when the power shall be totally on their side, they
shall be compelled to live on that low allowance, notwithstanding their
estates are gotten with a great deal of labour and industry.

"Upon this the people attempted to lay violent hands upon Lord Poulett,
who was saved by a regiment marching in or by at the moment."

What was Lord Poulett's precise meaning? Do we not clearly learn from the
above, that the Civil War was due to more than a mere choosing between king
and parliament among the humbler classes of the remote country districts?

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